What is your most radical view?

[josemutiny]

mynameisliz said:

my friend's sister accidentally got pregnant, kept the baby and if aything it's put her life back on track. I think sometimes the baby can actually help thettenager, not that it's adviseable

people don't get ACCIDENTALLY PREGNANT.
people need to take responsibility for there actions.
I think the same way with Josh about needing a license for a gun, car, etc. but not to have a baby. We don't need more kids. theres plenty that aren't wanted.

[fabbit]

josemutiny said:

mynameisliz said:

my friend's sister accidentally got pregnant, kept the baby and if aything it's put her life back on track. I think sometimes the baby can actually help thettenager, not that it's adviseable

people don't get ACCIDENTALLY PREGNANT.
people need to take responsibility for there actions.
I think the same way with Josh about needing a license for a gun, car, etc. but not to have a baby. We don't need more kids. theres plenty that aren't wanted.

Uh, yes you can.
Really, every time you have sex, are you trying to make a baby?
I think not.

[tesla]

blake said:

tesla said:

except maybe the opinion that religious people shouldn't constantly attempt to coax atheists into 'changing their ways.' Heh.

..and vice versa.

Well, yeah, of course. I don't think anybody should try to press their opinions on other people, no matter the subject. I agree with debating, but not stalking someone to try and convert them.

[josemutiny]

people will not agree with me but, I don't care what stage the abortion is at,
if the baby isn't unwanted or wont be given a decent life than it needs not have been born.

[Debs]

fabbit said:

Illegal abortions could have many complications caused by unlicensed doctors and the like.

My poor mum's complication caused by an unlicenced doctor's botched abortion is typing this post.

She was only 16. I don't blame her one bit. Even if she didn't want me to start with she did when I arrived.

[fabbit]

tesla said:

blake said:

..and vice versa.

Well, yeah, of course. I don't think anybody should try to press their opinions on other people, no matter the subject. I agree with debating, but not stalking someone to try and convert them.

A lot of people do it because of all the joy their religion has brought to their life. They just want other people to feel the same way.
Although, do you ever hear "omg, when i became athiest it COMPLETELY changed my life! I'm a much happier person."

[Jam.]

The thing that's annoyed me immensely recently is the whole Maddy thing. A couple of rich bastards, were irresponsible and now they've got the sympathy of the world, if it was a single mother who was quite poor in the same situation, she'd be called unfit to have children and all the others would be taken away from her and she'd get no sympathy. With the money and police time that they're spending on all the big find Maddy campaign, they could be helping with domestic violence or knife crime which to be honest, is so bad, even my 12 year old sister was threatened by a 8 year old with a bread knife! Fair enough, he was only a wee diddy kid and she kicked him in the bollocks and told his mum, but nurrr!

It's not that I don't sympathise for anyone who's had their child taken, but if for instance one of our parents went missing, nobody would give a monkey bollock.

I'm glad you said that about paedophiles Josh, I've never voiced my opinion on that before but it is a mental illness and there's nothing they can do about it, except not act on it or seek help, which is quite absurd considering the amount of negativity surrounding them with the whole "Naming and shaming" deal.

[josemutiny]

fabbit said:

josemutiny said:

people don't get ACCIDENTALLY PREGNANT.
people need to take responsibility for there actions.
I think the same way with Josh about needing a license for a gun, car, etc. but not to have a baby. We don't need more kids. theres plenty that aren't wanted.

Uh, yes you can.
Really, every time you have sex, are you trying to make a baby?
I think not.

of course you don't try to have a baby, but you also should be responsible for not trying to have a baby.

[fabbit]

josemutiny said:

fabbit said:

Uh, yes you can.
Really, every time you have sex, are you trying to make a baby?
I think not.

of course you don't try to have a baby, but you also should be responsible for not trying to have a baby.

um, i just have this to say, what?

[karatepop]

josemutiny said:

mynameisliz said:

my friend's sister accidentally got pregnant, kept the baby and if aything it's put her life back on track. I think sometimes the baby can actually help thettenager, not that it's adviseable

people don't get ACCIDENTALLY PREGNANT.
people need to take responsibility for there actions.

If it wasn't planned.. it was an accident. I'm in an abortion information group on the eljay, and the number of women who post there who wound up pregnant because of complications with their birth control is amazing. There's a reason the packages say 98% effective, and not simply for liability reasons.

I'mma go ahead and talk abot mememe for a minute, though.

For years I was told I couldn't get pregnant. Then I did. Making the decision to have an abortion is never an easy one. I didn't need one.. as it turns out homegirl can get pregnant, she just can't carry anything past a month and a half.

So! Point is! It's not just teenagers fucking around without condoms who get pregnant. There are a lot of aspects to look at here. Poverty, sexual education (not just the class), assault, ignorance, etc.

There's no one reason, aside from sex, why women wind up pregnant.

[josemutiny]

fabbit said:

josemutiny said:

of course you don't try to have a baby, but you also should be responsible for not trying to have a baby.

um, i just have this to say, what?

use condoms. birth control. plus all the other options.
if your not trying to prevent it then your trying to have a baby.

[karatepop]

josemutiny said:

fabbit said:

Uh, yes you can.
Really, every time you have sex, are you trying to make a baby?
I think not.

of course you don't try to have a baby, but you also should be responsible for not trying to have a baby.

I'm pretty sure if you're seeking an abortion you weren't trying to have a baby in the first place. :)

[fabbit]

josemutiny said:

fabbit said:

um, i just have this to say, what?

use condoms. birth control. plus all the other options.
if your not trying to prevent it then your trying to have a baby.

well obviously.
but you know condoms and birth control don't work all the time?

[tesla]

I believe that rape victims should be allowed to choose abortion. Teenagers+ who voluntarily engage in sexual intercourse should know the consequences of such activity, and realize that they will have to deal with those consequences. They can use birth control if they don't want to support a kid. I Though I do believe they should be able to abort their child if the child is subject to a deficient lifestyle.

[Clare]

Okay, here we go.

1) Capitalism

I am a strong anti-capitalist and believe it is an unsustainable, silly system.

2) Abortion

Completely pro-choice (blargh, but I hate it when people interpret that as me wanting to go about snatching wee babies out the cot and smothering them).

3) Death penalty

Anti-death penality, I believe it's state hypocrisy. And the state should be the people, and if you can't trust the people, who can you? Etc, etc. I'll stop before I reflect on the last statement and get all anarchist.

4) Drugs

Pro legalising all drugs. And the thing with E is that it fucks with your kidneys, so folk actually die a lot from just drinking TOO much water whilst on E and, like, drown themselves or something.

5) Gun control

Guns terrify me, I personally don't want to see them at all ever anywhere.

6) Paedophilia / Child molesters

I read a really interesting article last year which you can read here about the rehabilitation of child molesters. It's something I would actually be interested in seeing expanding, especially considering the results they've had. Other than that, I actually used to know a guy - we've fallen out of contact - who was sexually attracted to boys between about ten and thirteen. He was a nice guy and, whilst he never acted on his attractions, you could tell he himself was disturbed by them. It kinda sucked. He wasn't gross, he wasn't cruel. He was an average young guy, early twenties, educated and experienced in the world.

7) Overcrowding in prisons

I believe firmly in rehabilitation and also that a lot of kids are in there because they were caught smoking a joint on the street corner. Of course, I do believe there are some people who just cannot be rehabilitated and need to be kept away from society.

Errr, can't think of anything else right now, but I guess it all just seems normal to me, since I live inside my brain.

[blake]

josemutiny said:

people will not agree with me but, I don't care what stage the abortion is at,
if the baby isn't unwanted or wont be given a decent life than it needs not have been born.

ermm... if a baby is aborted it HASN'T been born.

What a curious sentence.

[fabbit]

blake said:

josemutiny said:

people will not agree with me but, I don't care what stage the abortion is at,
if the baby isn't unwanted or wont be given a decent life than it needs not have been born.

ermm... if a baby is aborted it HASN'T been born.

What a curious sentence.

Partial birth abortion!
but, wait, thats half born.

[josemutiny]

karatepop said:

josemutiny said:

people don't get ACCIDENTALLY PREGNANT.
people need to take responsibility for there actions.

If it wasn't planned.. it was an accident. I'm in an abortion information group on the eljay, and the number of women who post there who wound up pregnant because of complications with their birth control is amazing. There's a reason the packages say 98% effective, and not simply for liability reasons.

I'mma go ahead and talk abot mememe for a minute, though.

For years I was told I couldn't get pregnant. Then I did. Making the decision to have an abortion is never an easy one. I didn't need one.. as it turns out homegirl can get pregnant, she just can't carry anything past a month and a half.

So! Point is! It's not just teenagers fucking around without condoms who get pregnant. There are a lot of aspects to look at here. Poverty, sexual education (not just the class), assault, ignorance, etc.

There's no one reason, aside from sex, why women wind up pregnant.

agreed.
But... what I'm saying is, if your having sex and your not doing everything to prevent getting pregnant, don't say its an accident.
use the pill and condoms. use double condoms.
I don't know I'm just fed up with people saying, oopps I'm pregnant. It was an accident.

[fabbit]

...double condoms? are you serious?
jose, thats the oddest thing i've ever heard.
please don't tell me you do that.

[blake]

josemutiny said:

karatepop said:

If it wasn't planned.. it was an accident. I'm in an abortion information group on the eljay, and the number of women who post there who wound up pregnant because of complications with their birth control is amazing. There's a reason the packages say 98% effective, and not simply for liability reasons.

I'mma go ahead and talk abot mememe for a minute, though.

For years I was told I couldn't get pregnant. Then I did. Making the decision to have an abortion is never an easy one. I didn't need one.. as it turns out homegirl can get pregnant, she just can't carry anything past a month and a half.

So! Point is! It's not just teenagers fucking around without condoms who get pregnant. There are a lot of aspects to look at here. Poverty, sexual education (not just the class), assault, ignorance, etc.

There's no one reason, aside from sex, why women wind up pregnant.

agreed.
But... what I'm saying is, if your having sex and your not doing everything to prevent getting pregnant, don't say its an accident.
use the pill and condoms. use double condoms.
I don't know I'm just fed up with people saying, oopps I'm pregnant. It was an accident.

Condoms and other forms of birth control don't offer 100% protection.