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Post by Clare on May 22, 2007 21:26:14 GMT
Wait, wait, wait, I thought of another one.
MADDY FITSHERFACE.
Yes, I feel bad for the family, but it's a classic case of "Missing White Girl Syndrome." I don't think the Daily Mail would give a fuck if she were black.
Also, Jose, I pray you NEVER use two condoms at once because the friction between them makes them far more likely to burst.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on May 22, 2007 21:26:41 GMT
Well, yeah, of course. I don't think anybody should try to press their opinions on other people, no matter the subject. I agree with debating, but not stalking someone to try and convert them. A lot of people do it because of all the joy their religion has brought to their life. They just want other people to feel the same way. Although, do you ever hear "omg, when i became athiest it COMPLETELY changed my life! I'm a much happier person." but then i don't go around telling everyone to do things that make me happy. I don't enforce the music i listen to on other people, I don;t make other people paint or watch neighbours. however, i don;t want to stop religious people enforcing their beliefs beause then there'd be no more leaflets containing the deathbed quotes of people "seeing" heaven and hell. Oh lord, this is unrelated but i see that the conservative party are in a hoo-ha because david cameron doesn't want more grammar schools. speaking as someone from kent where we still have a grammar system, it simply DOES NOT work. It leads to self-esteem problems, people being put in groups that don;t match their abilities and a lot of divides between schools. I go to the "whore/chav/stupid kid" school, my sister goes to the "rich kdis" school
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 21:27:05 GMT
You know the only reason the people who's kids get on the news are because the parents pay money? hundreds of kids are abducted every day.
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Post by josemutiny on May 22, 2007 21:27:06 GMT
...double condoms? are you serious? jose, thats the oddest thing i've ever heard. please don't tell me you do that. no. I don't have sex. thats my pill. and when I decide to start again, I'll have my tubes tied first.
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 21:28:34 GMT
A lot of people do it because of all the joy their religion has brought to their life. They just want other people to feel the same way. Although, do you ever hear "omg, when i became athiest it COMPLETELY changed my life! I'm a much happier person." but then i don't go around telling everyone to do things that make me happy. I don't enforce the music i listen to on other people, I don;t make other people paint or watch neighbours. But you don't go to your friends and say "I found this AMAZING music, you just have to listen to it!" I'm just odd then.
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 21:29:03 GMT
...double condoms? are you serious? jose, thats the oddest thing i've ever heard. please don't tell me you do that. no. I don't have sex. thats my pill. and when I decide to start again, I'll have my tubes tied first. uhh...then don't tell people which birth control is best!
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Post by tesla on May 22, 2007 21:29:39 GMT
A lot of people do it because of all the joy their religion has brought to their life. They just want other people to feel the same way. Although, do you ever hear "omg, when i became athiest it COMPLETELY changed my life! I'm a much happier person." I can understand why people do it, I just don't think they should. Specifically when you've firmly told them, "I have my reasons for not believing in God, and I'd like you to respect that just as I respect your opinion." But as a for instance; My Grandma is Pentecostal and every time I visit her, she wants to drag me down to her church so that they can pray over me. I would hope it's understandable that, as an unbeliever, I do not want to be prayed over every time I go to visit my family. Some people believe in Buddha, some in God, some in Zeus, and I accept and respect their belief. Naturally, I would appreciate them to treat me the same way.
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 21:31:00 GMT
A lot of people do it because of all the joy their religion has brought to their life. They just want other people to feel the same way. Although, do you ever hear "omg, when i became athiest it COMPLETELY changed my life! I'm a much happier person." I can understand why people do it, I just don't think they should. Specifically when you've firmly told them, "I have my reasons for not believing in God, and I'd like you to respect that just as I respect your opinion." But as a for instance; My Grandma is Pentecostal and every time I visit her, she wants to drag me down to her church so that they can pray over me. I would hope it's understandable that, as an unbeliever, I do not want to be prayed over every time I go to visit my family. Some people believe in Buddha, some in God, some in Zeus, and I accept and respect their belief. Naturally, I would appreciate them to treat me the same way. Of course there are better ways to go about it and what not. People shouldn't go forcing it down peoples throats because that does no good. Sharing beliefs is perfectly fine.
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Post by josemutiny on May 22, 2007 21:31:16 GMT
A lot of people do it because of all the joy their religion has brought to their life. They just want other people to feel the same way. Although, do you ever hear "omg, when i became athiest it COMPLETELY changed my life! I'm a much happier person." I can understand why people do it, I just don't think they should. Specifically when you've firmly told them, "I have my reasons for not believing in God, and I'd like you to respect that just as I respect your opinion." But as a for instance; My Grandma is Pentecostal and every time I visit her, she wants to drag me down to her church so that they can pray over me. I would hope it's understandable that, as an unbeliever, I do not want to be prayed over every time I go to visit my family. Some people believe in Buddha, some in God, some in Zeus, and I accept and respect their belief. Naturally, I would appreciate them to treat me the same way. they just want to share what they think brings them happiness. but the cult-ishness make them start grabbing at you like zombies.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on May 22, 2007 21:31:28 GMT
but then i don't go around telling everyone to do things that make me happy. I don't enforce the music i listen to on other people, I don;t make other people paint or watch neighbours. But you don't go to your friends and say "I found this AMAZING music, you just have to listen to it!" I'm just odd then. well it depends if they're friends who are already addicted to music or not. if not, they won't care so i don't bother
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Post by karatepop on May 22, 2007 21:31:38 GMT
Doubling-up on condoms increases the risk of failure.
I'm just sayin'.
I get what you're saying, though. I don't understand why everyone sees abortion as an easy out. It's not. I can't even put into words how badly I want a child - this is probably because I can't have one big laughs and hijinks - but when I had to sit and make the decision, it was not an easy one. The whole ordeal is very hard, and after it's done you have to live with your decision. I believe most women are comfortable with the decision, though. There's almost always depression afterward caused by the drop in hormones, there's that little seed that pepole plant in your head "it's a BABY, you can't kill it!", there are a lot of things to be dealt with.
I think that if a woman sits down, thinks about it, and makes an informed decision to have an abortion.. that she is taking responsibility for her actions more than the one who has a child out of some sort of moral obligation.
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 21:35:17 GMT
Good point, karatepop. It should most definetly be legal, but people should pursue adoption options first.
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Post by josemutiny on May 22, 2007 21:35:24 GMT
Doubling-up on condoms increases the risk of failure. I'm just sayin'. I get what you're saying, though. I don't understand why everyone sees abortion as an easy out. It's not. I can't even put into words how badly I want a child - this is probably because I can't have one big laughs and hijinks - but when I had to sit and make the decision, it was not an easy one. The whole ordeal is very hard, and after it's done you have to live with your decision. I believe most women are comfortable with the decision, though. There's almost always depression afterward caused by the drop in hormones, there's that little seed that pepole plant in your head "it's a BABY, you can't kill it!", there are a lot of things to be dealt with. I think that if a woman sits down, thinks about it, and makes an informed decision to have an abortion.. that she is taking responsibility for her actions more than the one who has a child out of some sort of moral obligation. agreed
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Post by karatepop on May 22, 2007 21:37:00 GMT
5) Gun controlGuns terrify me, I personally don't want to see them at all ever anywhere. I agree with you about everything, but guns. I don't think it's necessarily the laws that are the problem so much as the people. I know Canada and the US have similar gun laws, but the States produces waaaaaay more gun crime. I just don't want guns to go away, because I like them. I think that paedophilia rehabilitation article is pretty neat. I'd like to see where that goes. Maybe I'm terribly old fashioned, but I don't think it can be treated for those who've already acted on it.
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Post by josemutiny on May 22, 2007 21:38:20 GMT
5) Gun controlGuns terrify me, I personally don't want to see them at all ever anywhere. I agree with you about everything, but guns. I don't think it's necessarily the laws that are the problem so much as the people. I know Canada and the US have similar gun laws, but the States produces waaaaaay more gun crime. I just don't want guns to go away, because I like them. I think that paedophilia rehabilitation article is pretty neat. I'd like to see where that goes. Maybe I'm terribly old fashioned, but I don't think it can be treated for those who've already acted on it. to quote the slogan. Guns don't kill people, People do!
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 21:38:59 GMT
I think that guns, like hunting guns, should be legal. But do we REALLY need semi-automatic weapons and "police killer" style bullets? I mean, no one is going to hunt deer or pheasants with that. All the gun violence here is disgusting.
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Post by tesla on May 22, 2007 21:39:52 GMT
they just want to share what they think brings them happiness. but the cult-ishness make them start grabbing at you like zombies. I'm much happier as an atheist than I would be as a Christian, so I can - like I said - see why they do it. I find it much more comforting to believe life isn't a test, than to believe I have to be a certain something to be accepted into a good place. I would rather be myself and live knowing I won't be judged and placed into some eternal 'acceptable or unacceptable' kingdom. But ah well. Everyone thinks they're right. Maybe we're all wrong. xD
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Post by karatepop on May 22, 2007 21:40:00 GMT
Good point, karatepop. It should most definetly be legal, but people should pursue adoption options first. I disagree. Partly because I think the foster care system needs to be totally re-evaluated, and partly because that's simply not an option for some people. Just being pregnant is a big deal, and carrying a child for nine months is not easy. I could never do that only to give it up. Foster care is a death sentence for the spirit, which is far worse as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by josemutiny on May 22, 2007 21:40:16 GMT
I think that guns, like hunting guns, should be legal. But do we REALLY need semi-automatic weapons and "police killer" style bullets? I mean, no one is going to hunt deer or pheasants with that. All the gun violence here is disgusting. yes but its a constitutional right to bear arms.
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Post by hark on May 22, 2007 21:40:17 GMT
Wait, wait, wait, I thought of another one. MADDY FITSHERFACE. Yes, I feel bad for the family, but it's a classic case of "Missing White Girl Syndrome." I don't think the Daily Mail would give a fuck if she were black. Before I start - I agree with what Jam said. The parents are irresponsible and frankly I think their behaviour throughout has been somewhat odd. But I think it's unfair to talk about that syndrome thing. It is true - it does happen, and it's a load of bullshit that the whole things happened this way. But that's not what's important. There's a poor wee girl who has barely lived missing, and most likely dead. That's a fucking tragedy, and it kind of pisses me off when people act so nonchalant about it. Each time a child is snatched it's horrible; just because this case is overexposed does not make it any less tragic! PS: fuck constitutional rights bullshit. Think about all the people that die or suffer as a result of armed violence. Think about all the countries around you who do not bear arms and maybe compare. Citizens should not be allowed to tote guns.
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