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Post by Debs on May 22, 2007 20:27:48 GMT
I'm not saying the death penalty is cool.
I'm suggesting that there are certain crimes (such as child murder) where the perpetrator is never going to be released into society due to the nature of their crime and the likelihood of re-offending.
At a time when forensic science has evolved and can identify the criminal, shouldn't he or she be punished in a similar way to their crime and why the hell should anyone pay literally hundreds of thousands of pounds to keep them alive in the prison system?
I think I'm going to regret admitting to this.
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Post by resurrectart on May 22, 2007 20:28:35 GMT
How is it our right to kill someone for killing another? Aren't we essentially doing exactly the same crime?
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Post by hark on May 22, 2007 20:30:18 GMT
can i tell a funny E related story? and actually, i think it might be more harmful than weed. If it's funny - yes. Nah, they were reevaluating the drug classes here and Es were proven to have the lower mortality rate. I know it's not just about death, though, so you may be right! I live in hope that people who aren't 'born voters' will spoil their votes...
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Post by karatepop on May 22, 2007 20:31:02 GMT
There's nothing that that I'm really scared to tell anyone. I can only handle one or two Smiths songs before I want to smash my face in. I don't like much of what the hipster kids like - I'm only using this word because I learned it today.
I think Vincent Gallo is an untalented pretentious douche.
I hate the Eagles. Hate. Worst thing to ever happen Joe Walsh.
I HATE hatehatehatehate Don McLean and that fucking American Pie song. I'd kill babies to make it go away. I really would.
Rachel Ray is a cow, but that's pretty widely accepted.
I think child molesters should have their nuts nailed to a barn floor, and then had the barn set on fire. Burn to death? Lose your balls in a horribly painful way?
Eh.. that's it. I have pretty strong opinions on suicide too, but that's a downer.
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 20:31:13 GMT
All murders, rapists, and the like have mental problems. They aren't normal. They send them to these rehab places, which aren't very effective. And even if they were, they still wouldn't think about the death penalty and be like OOOHH NOOO i'm not going to do this because i don't want to die. And the death penalty is too expensive!
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Post by sarah on May 22, 2007 20:31:16 GMT
*I don't entirely believe in equality, I believe the human race is in a constant state of evolution, and that certain human beings alive today are more evolved than others (I hope I don't even have to say that this is nothing to do with race or nationality, but I will anyway) Treating people "the same" is utter folly. For once I agree with Karl Marx on this one "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" you can't go about treating everyone the same simply because no one is the same. like the "do as you would be done by" thing it's selfish, you don't think "right, here is a person and i am assuming that they will be EXACTLY like me, so i am going to treat them as if they were me" when in actual fact they will most probably be different to you ahfds that's something that really annoys me, however my brain is so incredibly knackered that i can't think up many reasons for it, perhaps i'll come back to it
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 20:32:34 GMT
can i tell a funny E related story? and actually, i think it might be more harmful than weed. If it's funny - yes. Nah, they were reevaluating the drug classes here and Es were proven to have the lower mortality rate. I know it's not just about death, though, so you may be right! I live in hope that people who aren't 'born voters' will spoil their votes... My friend was in New York at her parent's friends house and their kid offered her E. SHe was like "yeah, sure, whatever." and she took it and her parents found her and was like "OMGGGZZZ WHAT IS WRONG ARE YOU OK?" and they rushed her to the hospital. and at the hospital they had no idea what was wrong with her! hehe.
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Post by Debs on May 22, 2007 20:34:11 GMT
How is it our right to kill someone for killing another? Aren't we essentially doing exactly the same crime? Of course. I'm not saying it's 100% right, just that it's my belief that there are certain crimes that should be punishable by death. I don't think it's a deterrent, unfortunately. I'd rather spend the money that it's going to cost us to keep Ian Huntley imprisoned for his execution. Humanely of course, which is more than he did for his victims.
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Post by hark on May 22, 2007 20:34:54 GMT
I thoguht of something else: It frustrates me that some religous people think that they can pick and choose things out of their religion and believe they are free of sin. I sometimes think you should be fundamentalist or nothing - but I realise that that is being a bit black and white about it...
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Post by resurrectart on May 22, 2007 20:35:24 GMT
I'm not saying the death penalty is cool. I'm suggesting that there are certain crimes (such as child murder) where the perpetrator is never going to be released into society due to the nature of their crime and the likelihood of re-offending. At a time when forensic science has evolved and can identify the criminal, shouldn't he or she be punished in a similar way to their crime and why the hell should anyone pay literally hundreds of thousands of pounds to keep them alive in the prison system? I think I'm going to regret admitting to this. BTW, It's actually more expensive to kill them than it is to keep them in prison because of all the appeals and such. At least it is in the American system.
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 20:36:26 GMT
Well the religion thing is hard because there are so many different interpretations of things, especially in the christian religion. I mean one verse could mean one thing to one group, and something completely different to another.
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Post by blake on May 22, 2007 20:37:12 GMT
oohh how the hell did I forget BY FAR my most radical and controversial opinion..
I have a great deal of sympathy with paedophiles and believe they deserve more rights/treatment.
No thats not a joke. But can I first of all let me differentiate between a paedophile and a child abuser.. I think the sexual abuse of a child is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable and should be severely punished. However a paedophile is by definition someone who has sexual urges towards pre-pubescent children, disgusting and vile right? But think about it this way; think about what turns you, your deepest darkest sexual fantasies, do you have any control over the stuff that gets you going in this department? No you don't. I believe peoples sexual self, is a part of their whole self and that our sexual likes and dislikes are based on deep subconscious psychological factors.
I believe having a sexual attraction towards children is an mental illness and that people who are cursed with these desires most have a truly hellish existence. If I woke up tomorrow and started fancying children after tormenting myself I would imagine that I would aim to see a psychologist and seek help. However, come on, paedophiles have become the demonic boogy men of our society few people are going to have the courage to admit their problem and seek treatment. So it festers as a dark and awful secret inside of people.. and some people snap and actually abuse a child. This is the point where every iota of sympathy I have for these people disappears.
It's time to treat pedophilia as a dangerous mentally illness like the various other mental illnesses that lead to people being violent and harmful towards others. It's time to look at this issue in a open minded adult way and stop the reactionary notions.
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 20:37:14 GMT
I'm not saying the death penalty is cool. I'm suggesting that there are certain crimes (such as child murder) where the perpetrator is never going to be released into society due to the nature of their crime and the likelihood of re-offending. At a time when forensic science has evolved and can identify the criminal, shouldn't he or she be punished in a similar way to their crime and why the hell should anyone pay literally hundreds of thousands of pounds to keep them alive in the prison system? I think I'm going to regret admitting to this. BTW, It's actually more expensive to kill them than it is to keep them in prison because of all the appeals and such. At least it is in the American system. I know. I wrote a short paper on it, and I was goign to write something longer but I decided to write it on how the government's policies regarding gay marriage were unconstitutional.
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Post by fabbit on May 22, 2007 20:39:20 GMT
It's time to treat pedophilia as a dangerous mentally illness like the various other mental illnesses that lead to people being violent and harmful towards others. They already do, in the US anyways. Thats what those rehab places in nowhereland are for. Don't think they're run that well though. Actually, I know they aren't.
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Post by hark on May 22, 2007 20:42:09 GMT
oohh how the hell did I forget BY FAR by most radical and controversial opinion.. I have a great deal of sympathy with paedophiles and believe they deserve more rights/treatment. No thats not a joke. But can I first of all let me differentiate between a paedophile and a child abuser.. I think the sexual abuse of a child is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable and should be severely punished. However a paedophile is by definition someone who has sexual urges towards pre-pubescent children, disgusting and vile right? But think about it this way; think about what turns you, your deepest darkest sexual fantasies, do you have any control over the stuff that gets you going in this department? No you don't. I believe peoples sexual self, is a part of their whole self and that our sexual likes and dislikes are based on deep subconscious psychological factors. I believe having a sexual attraction towards children is an mental illness and that people who are cursed with these desires most have a truly hellish existence. If I woke up tomorrow and started fancying children after tormenting myself I would imagine that I would aim to see a psychologist and seek help. However, come on, paedophiles have become the demonic boogy men of our society few people are going to have the courage to admit their problem and seek treatment. So it festers as a dark and awful secret inside of people.. and some people snap and actually abuse a child. This is the point where every iota of sympathy I have for these people disappears. It's time to treat pedophilia as a dangerous mentally illness like the various other mental illnesses that lead to people being violent and harmful towards others. It's time to look at this issue in a open minded adult way and stop the reactionary notions. Oooh! I forgot about that one. That's probably my deepest and darkest secret opinion.
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Post by resurrectart on May 22, 2007 20:43:52 GMT
I think pedophiles are gross, but I do think they need help. I definitively agree on that one.
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Post by karatepop on May 22, 2007 20:44:31 GMT
And the death penalty is too expensive! So are prisons. I'm not for the death penalty, aside from thinking that all child molesters should be killed, but prisons are expensive. More than half the people in them are there for things that shouldn't even be illegal. Prisons aren't supposed to be punishment, at least not in the States. They're supposed to rehabilitate criminals so they can be reintroduced into society as "proper citizens". My mum works in two prisons in the States - one federal, one state, both high security. All the prisons do is give them a lot of time to think and either a) turn their life around or b) get worse and engage in criminal activities in the prison. I forgot what I was saying, but prisons = expensive. They get TV, education, books, etc. Instead of saying, "we'll just put all the people we consider morally bankrupt in here and ignore them", we need to address the cause.. not just the effect. I probably make little to no sense.
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Post by 0-0 on May 22, 2007 20:46:56 GMT
I think pedophiles are gross, but I do think they need help. I definitively agree on that one. How insightful of you. Yes, they need help. I agree with Josh.
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Post by blake on May 22, 2007 20:48:50 GMT
I thoguht of something else: It frustrates me that some religous people think that they can pick and choose things out of their religion and believe they are free of sin. I sometimes think you should be fundamentalist or nothing - but I realise that that is being a bit black and white about it... Yeah I totally agree in a way. Thats why despite believing in God, being fascinated by the Bible and utterly revering the teachings of Jesus Christ I'm not a Christian. I just hate people who turn their religion into cosy supposition oh and wishy washy new age "spirituality" Ironically it's my reverence for Jesus Christ that very much informs my views on the death penalty. Jesus stopped the execution of an adulteress on the grounds of "he who is without sin let him cast the first stone" I also believe in the possibility of redemption for even the most heinous criminals. Therefore unless we can find all knowing, sinless people to execute others, I believe that taking another humans life is quite outside of human beings jurisdiction.
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Post by karatepop on May 22, 2007 20:49:40 GMT
It's time to treat pedophilia as a dangerous mentally illness like the various other mental illnesses that lead to people being violent and harmful towards others. They already do, in the US anyways. Thats what those rehab places in nowhereland are for. Don't think they're run that well though. Actually, I know they aren't. No it's not. It's widely ignored in the US, and when it is acknowledged.. it's with a slap on the wrist in jail. Very rarely are they given psychological help aside from a psych-eval, unless they seem particularly odd.. like serial killer odd. The number of re-offenders for child molestation is amazing.
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