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Post by lastgoodbye on May 3, 2011 1:12:06 GMT
I shall make a post regarding the mystery Timelord child! There are lots of things it could be: 1. Amy and the Doctor's child together (which is super unlikely, but a cool idea ) 2. Amy and Rory's child, which - because it was concieved in the Tardis? - jumps around in time. Sometimes it's a foetus in her womb, and sometimes it's a little girl, and... I don't know how that would work. But it would half-explain why the Tardis pregnancy test was flickering. And it also picked up some Timelordy powers, from being concieved in the Tardis? I don't know. 3. It's River and the Doctor's child. Yay! Unlikely, but yay. 4. It's River AS A CHILD. OMG I LITERALLY JUST THOUGHT OF THIS ONE. Does it make sense? If River's timeline is travelling backwards against the Doctors? Is that why Amy is in a photo holding the baby,they go to visit her? Is that why River and the Doctor first even happens; because River kills him as a child, and then as she grows up she is curious about him? 5. It's some other descendent of the Doctor. He has a granddaughter in earlier series', so it could be his granddaughter as a child, or his recent-series daughter's daughter, or something. 6. It's a COMPLETELY UNRELATED TIMELORD CHILD 7. My favourite theory I've come up with (before I just came up with the River child one) - It's Donna's daughter. Remember, she is half Timelord, even though she's had her memory wiped. And she has a husband. Why wouldn't they have a child? And if the Doctor and Amy and co became aware, and went to visit the baby... hence the photo with Amy... and then as the child grew up, she was taken by the Silence? Why not!? 8. I suppose it could be none of the above. Hooray for 2am Doctor Who ramblings!
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Post by lastgoodbye on May 3, 2011 1:13:28 GMT
Why do I have cake next to my name when it's not my birthday? Hahahahaha I love it
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Post by thehazelwoodfaye on May 3, 2011 12:11:13 GMT
^ haha, was just about to wish you a happy birthday 1. yeah the first thing I thought too that'd be kind of nice even though I like Rory 2. probably the most likely in a way. though I think the timey-wimey explanation for it would be more complex 3. River + Doctor. don't know, but I remember Moffat said in an interview that "it's all about that pregnancy" and I asume it's Amy's pregnancy he's talking of. but I'm not sure though, could be River too. 4. yay! genius! that would be cool (it'd be kind of sick too, but oh well I wouldn't mind) although it's not very likely, because hasn't River told Rory that she was "an impressionable young woman" (or sth like that) when she first met the Dr? 5. noo, Moffat doesn't pick from others he hates bringing back characters he hasn't thought of himself 6. not complicated enough 7. see 5. 8. agreed my general thoughts on it: the dr let's the child kill him, because he saves the child's life doing that in some way (time paradox or whatever) or Amy's/Rory's/River's lifes. The strangest thing still is: Moffat said that we really see the Dr die and that's no fake etc. when he dies 200 years later as Matt Smith (still looking young lol) does that mean we're going to have Matt Smith for some seasons to come? or will he reverse the whole thing and the Dr doesn't die after all? *confused* so my last thought on that would be then: his soul can wander into another body...woo...spooky...he might inhabit the child or whoever killed him...strange thought though.
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Post by lastgoodbye on May 3, 2011 15:53:34 GMT
Yeah, I talked about this a bit more with my history class and with my brother since last night. You're right - River has said before that she first met the Doctor when she was a young woman and he knew everything about her... so basically, that theory is wrong </3 And the thing about the 200 years older Doctor dying with Matt Smith's face IS weird. Because we know they want to keep the series going, so either the next actors doctor will be really distant from this current Doctor, because he'll be 200 years older and there will be 200 years of his life that we didn't see, or they'll find a way of undoing the death completely (or saying that it wasn't the real Doctor, but an imposter), which seems more likely. But WHY did he/someone invite them there? Why!? Also when me and my brother were queueing in the Post Office earlier, I realised that it might not even be the child in the space suit who kills the Doctor - it could be ANY other character in there, or it could actually just be the empty space suit (remember they said it might be able to move on its own?) ALSO my history teacher suggested that actually, maybe the child/whoever in the space suit didn't kill the Doctor - it was the Silence standing next to the child, but no one remembers the Silence being there obviously. Which is a cool theory, if they need away to take the blame from whoever the child/person in the spacesuit turns out to be. Also, back to the 'who is the little girl?' theories: 9. We know that the Silence are like, experimenting on the girl, right? And the girl has super-human strength, because she managed to break out of the suit. But timelords don't have super-human strength, so the Silence have given her some kind of extra powers. Basically, it could be that she isn't a Timelord at all, but she's just aquired the power to regenerate, as well as super strength and other stuff too. Because the Silence experiment with / aquire alien technology, right? So yeah. Could be that the little girl is no-one, and not a Timelord, she's just an experiment. I think that might even be the most likely theory . But it still doesn't explain why she is in a photo with Amy as a baby, or what's going on with Amy's flickering pregnancy. None of the theories explain everything, it's so frustrating
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Post by lastgoodbye on May 3, 2011 15:56:10 GMT
Also, I don't know if this counts as an extra theory, or if it's just something worth bearing in mind, but presumably if the child can regenerate, she might have done it before. So we MIGHT have met the child before, but no one recognised her.
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Post by thehazelwoodfaye on May 3, 2011 20:05:10 GMT
Yeah, I talked about this a bit more with my history class and with my brother since last night. ;D haha, lol I tried to imagine talking in history class about a scifi series, you Brits are awesome! (or at least your teacher is) school could've been fun that way (long time ago). I'm happy I can at least discuss Dr Who on the internet, because of course none of my friends watch it (although I've been promoting it like a salesman) and the new series isn't quite ehm well yes shown here yet, you know the internet can be a good friend... psstthe more you speculate, the more you're confused. that's so brilliant about Dr Who. you're right it could be any character on the show, but I guess it is one of the main characters. empty space suit? no that would be disappointing! why should he let an empty space suit kill him? lol it get's weirder and weirder... I really think whoever is in the space suit, is to blame for his death, but might be manipulated by the silence...or even himself? you know the sort of: "...you have to do this, you have to kill me *blabla* to save your/Amy's/Rory's/River's life/the world/entire universe/humanity" (we already had that in a way, so it's not that unlikely) the reason being some time paradox, threat from the silence or else...and whoever kills him in fact doesn't want to. that would give them an excuse as well, when the killer is the child or a companion. but that he really dies is kind of impossible, isn't it? only if they plan to end it after this series (which is somehow unlikely, isn't it?) or plan to show us the 200 years with Matt Smith but with other companions. I guess Amy, Rory and River won't be in the next series... Amy and River might both be pregnant (stomachaches after having seen the silence), but the whole pregnancy thing confuses me the most.
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Post by sueme on May 4, 2011 16:11:05 GMT
OMG, the Doctor Who thread is active again and I'm still not through series 1. Darn. So, basically I have no idea what's going on, just one thing I'd like to add: but that he really dies is kind of impossible, isn't it? only if they plan to end it after this series (which is somehow unlikely, isn't it?) or plan to show us the 200 years with Matt Smith but with other companions. I guess Amy, Rory and River won't be in the next series... Wikipedia told me that it once was mentioned (in the older seasons I think) that the Doctor has 12 lives or something. So if the 12th Doctor is killed there won't be another, right? But then, it's the 11th Doctor showed dying, if I got that right... @ Florence: Your history teacher sounds great. I don't think mine is into sci-fi. That aside, my class is probably not really into sci-fi.
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Post by lastgoodbye on May 4, 2011 21:28:07 GMT
but that he really dies is kind of impossible, isn't it? only if they plan to end it after this series (which is somehow unlikely, isn't it?) or plan to show us the 200 years with Matt Smith but with other companions. I guess Amy, Rory and River won't be in the next series... Wikipedia told me that it once was mentioned (in the older seasons I think) that the Doctor has 12 lives or something. So if the 12th Doctor is killed there won't be another, right? But then, it's the 11th Doctor showed dying, if I got that right... @ Florence: Your history teacher sounds great. I don't think mine is into sci-fi. That aside, my class is probably not really into sci-fi. I think I heard that the 12 lives thing has been.. well, they plan on just ignoring it, because they want to keep going indefinately with new actors. My history teacher/class are pretty good! But also, we are an A level class, and my school is fairly... lax. Also, where the hell has my cake gone!?
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Post by thehazelwoodfaye on May 4, 2011 22:45:47 GMT
Also, where the hell has my cake gone!? ;D claim it back! cake! we want cake! and I probably should go to bed...
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Post by naaaat on May 4, 2011 23:23:02 GMT
I LOVE that this thread has suddenly sprung into life properly, yay Also Florence, your History class sounds amazing! We could never have done anything like that in my history classes back in Year 12, particularly after someone mentioned DW once and my teacher then asked me: "So, Natalie... Is it a 'dalek' or a 'garlic'?" Clearly wasn't going to happen I think 2's the most likely theory thing at the top, although I have NO idea what's going on with the mystery pregnancy... My mum texted me about whether or not we were supposed to think it was Amy and the Doctor having the baby, but he's clearly far too emotionally awkward for that judging by how he was acting last time she started coming on strong. Unlessss it's by a future Doctor 'Time Traveler's Wife' style? (As in the bit in the book where older Henry won't try for a baby, so the woman who's name I've forgotte gets pregnant when younger Henry appears instead?) Or not, I just made that up on the spot Did anyone else find The Silence reall freaky? I know they didn't really seem to do all that much, but the idea that they can just edit themselves out of your memory like that does keep making me look round in case they are any. That bit when Amy looked up and they were all asleep bat-style on the ceiling and she kept realising she'd written more tallies... *shudders*
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Post by lastgoodbye on May 5, 2011 0:18:10 GMT
We could never have done anything like that in my history classes back in Year 12, particularly after someone mentioned DW once and my teacher then asked me: "So, Natalie... Is it a 'dalek' or a 'garlic'?" Clearly wasn't going to happen Hahahaa, garlic. Did anyone else find The Silence reall freaky? I know they didn't really seem to do all that much, but the idea that they can just edit themselves out of your memory like that does keep making me look round in case they are any. That bit when Amy looked up and they were all asleep bat-style on the ceiling and she kept realising she'd written more tallies... *shudders* Yes! Earlier today my brother asked me what it said on the back of my hand, and it said like 'Past paper' and then some word counts or whatever, but under that there were a few crossed -out illegible words which I couldn't remember writing for the life of me. When I said this, he said "maybe you put it there when you saw The Silence?" and it freaked me out big time (until I remembered it said "Kershaw strength of leadership," which were some history notes which I was meant to do for homework until my teacher decided it wasn't that important and I didn't have to, so I crossed it out). But yeah, I'm blatantly never writing on my hand ever again, just in case I forget what the mark is for and terrify myself. EDIT: The things I've said it this thread make it sound like my life revolves entirely around talking to my brother and being in my history class. It doesn't, I promise.
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Post by sueme on May 5, 2011 6:46:34 GMT
No, your life revolves around Doctor Who, obviously. Well, I halfway expected that they might not stick to that 12 lives rule. Either they give us a (good) explanation like contact with some alien materia that let's reincarnate more than 12 times (Yes, I watched "The empty Child yesterday" with those sparkly things of which I've forgotten what they were called.), or they simply ignor it. But I guess, as long as the series is good, nobody will mind the extra lives the Doctor will get.
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Post by thehazelwoodfaye on May 5, 2011 19:14:59 GMT
that makes me quite comfortable being not the only one who's afraid of Moffat's monsters (@sueme that episode freaked me out when I watched it. god was that scary!!) but I dreaded the Vashta Nerada (ah I'm afraid of the dark!) the most. maybe it was also the thing with the child and the virtual reality (when Donna realised that her kids weren't real ) which scared me so much. Or River's behaviour and her death. I don't think it's the Dr's child with Amy, but we're led to believe that (although Moffat probably never would confirm that). waiting so impatiently for the next episode!!! Lily Cole is such a fairy-like creature.
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Post by lucyblue on May 15, 2011 20:28:47 GMT
Little noob here, hello! Just wanted to add my two pennies worth re: the pregnancy - did I see someone mention a paradox? Because I think that's my favourite theory, that she's pregnant in an alternative timeline which was triggered or will be triggered by an event during the series. And maybe that's the solution to the dead doctor thing, perhaps it's just a way of solving the paradox?...
x L
p.s. I love that I can do double geeking out on this messageboard, DW+PW=Joy.
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Post by Roxy on May 16, 2011 4:16:12 GMT
Little noob here, hello! Just wanted to add my two pennies worth re: the pregnancy - did I see someone mention a paradox? Because I think that's my favourite theory, that she's pregnant in an alternative timeline which was triggered or will be triggered by an event during the series. And maybe that's the solution to the dead doctor thing, perhaps it's just a way of solving the paradox?... x L p.s. I love that I can do double geeking out on this messageboard, DW+PW=Joy. OMG YEAH MAYBE SHE IS PREGNANT...WITH THE DOCTOR...LIKE. OK fuck that would actually be insane if the doctor is her baby lmao. I tend to think it is probably River...or that the random little girl in the astronaut suit was River. hot damn. At least now we have it fairly well confirmed that River is not the Tardis ;D And also. That eyepatch lady scares me so much. oh god. I'm at home alone and flipping out just thinking of her. Omg. Moffat always makes me afraid!
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Post by Roxy on May 16, 2011 4:21:27 GMT
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Post by sueme on May 16, 2011 20:25:21 GMT
What? Amy being pregnant with the Doctor? How's that going to work? I think what lucyblue meant, is that in some alternative timeline the Doctor won't get killed, so there'll be a Doctor to continue the story with.
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Post by Roxy on May 16, 2011 20:35:51 GMT
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Post by lucyblue on May 17, 2011 18:37:56 GMT
What? Amy being pregnant with the Doctor? How's that going to work? I think what lucyblue meant, is that in some alternative timeline the Doctor won't get killed, so there'll be a Doctor to continue the story with. Precisely. Forgive the confusing wording. I've been writing an essay on Cubism, and it is eating my brain. x L
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Post by thehazelwoodfaye on May 17, 2011 19:49:10 GMT
hm I guess everyone here was a bit disappointed by the last two episodes? well, I was... the curse of the black spot began promising but the solution was kind of...disappointing. I did like the father-son duo setting off to the stars though that was nice. and the doctor's wife...omg lol that was even for my taste a bit too geeky...doctor falling in love with a human tardis? like oh common...but the confidential with neil gaiman was fun. rose and sarah jane joking about the doctors special relationship with the tardis... ;D I never thought though they would really make a story out of it the "house" concept was cool, damn was I scared of old rory!!! and the ood yay! I love them, no idea why...they're just so oodd I guess so, well yeah wasn't that bad after all...but still "sexy"? oh dear
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