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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on May 24, 2009 2:21:51 GMT
I agree with you there Josh, that "attack the conservative" . It is also of course expressing a very limiting and stereotypical picture of LGBT people. So what if say a homosexual holds fiscally or socially conservative views, they aren't "in the club" and it doesn't matter if they face discrimination? Patrick is such a homophobe To be honest, even to me this seems like making a mountain out of a mole hill but when you write politically you open yourself to that kind of analysis so you should tread much much more fucking carefully than the reactionary scribbled on a beer mat in five minutes polemic of Battle. To be honest when Patrick addresses LGBT issues, he doesn't come across as someone who wants to do something positive or highlight issues but a guy with a big (totally understandable) chip on his shoulder about homophobe he's suffered. That's why I dislike base-level single issue identity politics, it seems like tunnel vision to the point of selfishness. I mean again when you're an angry teenager you WANT things to be a little reactionary (at least Manics fan teenage me did), so again maybe it's just aimed at getting the 14 year olds to consider these issues.
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Post by mimicry on May 24, 2009 2:34:19 GMT
Josh, I know you didn't read the thread, so here is tarantella writing about what you are echoing: patrickwolf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pw&action=display&thread=3861&page=9#165179Also, you (still aimed at Josh here) should just listen to the title track on repeat. I feel like that one will grow on you. I, too, think Battle is a bit, um, well, yeah, lyrically. One can be "political" without referencing specific parties: there is still the politics of being human, which I think could have produced a meatier take on this issue.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on May 24, 2009 2:51:03 GMT
I did read the thread, just not every word/post.
Erm, no offense but as a disclaimer I'd like to say what I was trying to say is really really really not what tarantella was getting at there. I swear I mean no personal disrespect here but I think I would have more political common ground with Genghis Khan than tarantella. But needless to say I am quite unconcerned with the song "not being queer enough!" or that electric guitars and appalling to the mainstream are apparently not "queer" either.
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Post by sickmouthy on May 24, 2009 6:56:38 GMT
Patrick did say that Battle was meant to be "very adolescent", didn't he? I'd take it as an expression of adolescent frustration and confusion, rather than any kind of political agenda. It's certainly not at all sophisticated or even-handed.
I think Patrick's a great lyricist when he's turned towards the poetical (Wind In The Wires, Teignmouth, This Weather, are all awesome) (but still songs, NOT poems, big difference). Turning towards politics is a very difficult thing to do though. I generally don't listen to lyrics much - I'm with Mansun in that I think "they're not supposed to mean that much / they're just a vehicle for a lovely voice", but bad lyrics will definitely put me off more than good ones will turn me on.
Homosexual and transgressive aren't the same thing; conservative people can be gay. There are gay Tory MPs. Being MPs they probably ARE more transgressive than the average person sexually, but that's just because all MPs, gay or straight, male or female, like an orange in their mouth and a fist in their arse.
I'm 30, and I love Skins. When it hits a good episode it's the best, most affecting thing on TV. The JJ episode last season was AMAZING. Had me in floods of tears about three times.
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Post by the kalashnikov kid on May 24, 2009 11:45:29 GMT
Josh, I'm 17, am I the target market? I hope so!
That's where this album falls short for me, it's got too much of a market. And Josh I was actually thinking of how similar The Bachelor is in style to The Holy Bible, it wants to be the Holy Bible but more folky. It's dark, has heavy distortion, sweeping political lyrics...
WEEE AREEE ALLL OFFFFF VULTUREEEE ABORRRTIOONNN
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on May 24, 2009 17:41:33 GMT
I don't get the whole Bachelor/Holy Bible comparison BUT I respect the fact you're 17 and have actually heard The Holy Bible.
Also YAH Sickmouthy, me, you, Charlie Brooker and Russell T Davis in the Skins army.. yah!
drunk,..
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Post by Lawrence on May 24, 2009 20:32:28 GMT
I'd give it 4 stars
or 7.5/10
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Post by tarantella on May 25, 2009 4:06:04 GMT
I, too, think Battle is a bit, um, well, yeah, lyrically. One can be "political" without referencing specific parties: there is still the politics of being human, which I think could have produced a meatier take on this issue. Yes. This is what I wanted to say earlier. My favorite of PW's lyrics have always been the very personal ones, which can in themselves be political.
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Post by jadeface on May 25, 2009 16:55:56 GMT
I sort of thought when he's talking about being 'conservative' he was maybe going against the 'norms' of music and sort of fighting back against any sort of repression he faced, vs. generic and commercial styles in the music industry?
But maybe that's considered politics. I just thought that because he's said in a few blogs to sort of stop conforming to what's easily accepted blahblah and maybe he made this song to show he wanted to do something different and possibly, that doesn't fit.
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Post by OooErrr on May 26, 2009 23:37:02 GMT
I LOVE the album... probably rate it a 9/10. I'm so happy I've finally got a new Patrick album to listen to and that I wasn't disappointed one bit. And Lawrence, can I just say, I love your Conor Oberst avatar.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on May 27, 2009 0:46:31 GMT
oh and as Buffalo Springfield once sang.. for what it's worth..
Lycanthropy> The Magic Position> WITW> The Bachelor.
POW!
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Post by sickmouthy on May 27, 2009 13:45:16 GMT
Talk Talk have a very beautiful b-side called For What It's Worth. Pretty sure it'\s not a cover, but it's very abstract.
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Post by sickmouthy on May 27, 2009 13:54:10 GMT
I'm leaking karma.
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Post by Rhiflect on May 27, 2009 21:04:01 GMT
Haven't heard the Bachelor yet (aren't you guys proud of my restraint?)
But otherwise it goes
Lycanthropy > The Magic Position > WITW (although i was listening to it today and realised how much i actually loved it, hah)
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Post by scarredbyfallout on May 28, 2009 1:05:21 GMT
Umm, I actualy got the impression that when he referred to "the conservative", he wasn't referencing a political party. It seemed to me that by conservative, he was hitting out more at a social archetype, those who refuse to move on from old-fashioned idea's of what should and should not be socially accepted. The kind of attitude that villifies any who don't fit into their rose tinted view of "the way things used to be". Back in the good old days when gay clubs were raided and their occupants arrested daily, when women had to fight tooth and nail to get the kind of respect in the workplace most men simply expected as a matter of course, when it was nothing to an employer to pay their workers a pittance and fire them at will, when single parents were the scapegoats of society. Thankfully, for the most part, our society no longer thinks this way, but it is still very much in living memory for many and there remain those, a minoroty though they may be, who would like nothing more than to see a return to it. I got the idea that it was that sort of thinking, as opposed to modern conservative politics, to which he was referring. Then again, I could be wrong there On a personal note, seeing Patrick attack David Cameron, would be quite funny, hehe
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Post by elias on May 28, 2009 7:38:43 GMT
The record is a fucking achievement. It's my favorite work by him, and admittedly, the only one I truly enjoy from front to back.
Favorite Tracks: "Hard Times," "Battle," "Oblivion," "The Messenger," "Vulture," "Theseus"
As someone who spent a year battling terrible depression and anxiety and trying to find hope with love and my family, this album speaks to me on so many levels. I think Tilda's monologues are really inspiring, especially on "Oblivion," where things like "Have you come this far for it to end like this?" are really the things I needed to hear a couple months ago.
5/5 for sure.
Bachelor > Lycan > Magic > WITW
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