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Post by jay on Jan 9, 2009 13:19:40 GMT
i thought i'd create this thread to get a healthy discussion of bandstocks issues on the go. not a question and answer session, that would be redundant seeing as team wolf have already blogged a lot about what bandstocks involves and what the great benefits are of investing. basically elaborating on what was raised in the other thread, i'm just curious as to the issues surrounding the small amount of investors so far.
people in the UK, if you haven't invested yet, why is that? if you have invested, why? this is apart from money issues, obviously.
people outside the UK, you'll get your chance to invest sometime next week, but feel free to answer as well: if you aren't going to invest, why? and if you are, why?
i invested because i want to see this album released and i think it's an exciting project, even more exciting now that i know exactly what's going to happen with the money i've invested and what things i'll receive in return. i do want to invest again but at the moment i can't because of money issues.
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Post by verocs on Jan 9, 2009 14:02:32 GMT
I've already stated my main reasons for investing in the other thread but there is one more thing to add. I have the chance of going to a lot of gigs and I can honestly say there is so much bloody mediocre drivel there that when you have something so unique and exciting as Patrick you really have to cherish it. I must have seen almost 100 bands last year and I can count on my hand the ones I can actually remember!
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Post by jay on Jan 9, 2009 14:32:09 GMT
why do you think others haven't invested?
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Post by TiaraStripes on Jan 9, 2009 15:18:08 GMT
I think other people haven't invested (Ignoring money issues) because they think 'oh, everyone else will, it won't make a difference'. I think he also has quite a young fanbase (?) which could be a reason, or maybe an excuse. I really think it's a privilege to be a part of something so interesting but evidently not all people do. The main reason that I invested was because I felt that if I didn't, I would feel like I wasn't a part fo the album when it came out, and that I'd missed a really good opportunity. I too would like to buy more stocks, but am not in any position to at the moment.
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Post by jay on Jan 9, 2009 15:24:30 GMT
those are some good points. maybe they need to really push the point that adults can buy bandstocks as gifts for people who might not be able to. and also to stress how important it is that people do invest, because without it this album can't go ahead. i really do feel like i've made a difference by investing, though i can see how people would think that it wouldn't matter. it's kind of like voting! maybe we need to get some kind of 'invest or die' thing going on here.
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Post by babynothing on Jan 9, 2009 15:44:52 GMT
I don't think you can ignore the money issue here. one share is £10 and that might not be much to some people. However it is to me and in the current economic climate it probably is to most. I bought one share, it's all i can afford and i doubt it will go very far towards finishing the album. i think the fact is patrick wolf does not have a fan base of which the majority are in a position to buy 10's of share each.
In conclusion the advantage of the record company is the available cash.
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Post by verocs on Jan 9, 2009 16:08:44 GMT
He has got a bigger fanbase then the amount of people invested but how many do actually know about it? Not everyone would visit this forum regularly and /or subscribe to his myspace blog, especially in when on the surface not a lot going on. I mean I usually know of new tours and releases of bands / artists from emails I get from them, I rarely ever visit most of their forums or websites. There are probably thousands of people on his official mailing list but the lack of any emails about Bandstocks and new album suggest to me that Universal probably own that and the official website, therefore he cant use that as a marketing tool. I hope this made any sense, I might be completely wrong but those are my suspicions for the lack of widespread investment. So the more publicity we can drum up so everyone knows about it, the better.
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Post by jay on Jan 9, 2009 16:47:22 GMT
I don't think you can ignore the money issue here. one share is £10 and that might not be much to some people. However it is to me and in the current economic climate it probably is to most. I bought one share, it's all i can afford and i doubt it will go very far towards finishing the album. i think the fact is patrick wolf does not have a fan base of which the majority are in a position to buy 10's of share each. In conclusion the advantage of the record company is the available cash. i know money is an issue, it's an issue for me as well. but really i wanted to know about issues outside of money, if that makes sense. i am aware of the fact that there is a credit crunch going on and that will prevent people from investing but if said money issues don't affect people who aren't investing, i was wondering why they haven't... He has got a bigger fanbase then the amount of people invested but how many do actually know about it? Not everyone would visit this forum regularly and /or subscribe to his myspace blog, especially in when on the surface not a lot going on. I mean I usually know of new tours and releases of bands / artists from emails I get from them, I rarely ever visit most of their forums or websites. There are probably thousands of people on his official mailing list but the lack of any emails about Bandstocks and new album suggest to me that Universal probably own that and the official website, therefore he cant use that as a marketing tool. I hope this made any sense, I might be completely wrong but those are my suspicions for the lack of widespread investment. So the more publicity we can drum up so everyone knows about it, the better. patrick's website is in the hands of his management and other associated parties so i assume the mailing list is included in this as well. perhaps it is a good idea to send out something on the mailing list but maybe team wolf didn't see fit to send out such a message seeing as they were posting on the myspace. a message has been posted on the facebook thing recently too, i don't know how successful that stunt has been with regards to increasing investments. how do you suggest we drum up publicity? i know there are banners to post in places now, but i always feel so awkward advertising like that.
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Post by verocs on Jan 9, 2009 17:31:57 GMT
I dont think the facebook one was much good, I havent even noticed it till yesterday and only cos I was looking for something else. If they do have the rights to use his mailing list then send something out asap! a lot more people would read it then his myspace blog. I havent checked his website recently has anythign been added on that?
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Post by TiaraStripes on Jan 9, 2009 17:42:01 GMT
The website is the same page as it was, but with a bandstocks banner at the bottom (That you have to scroll down to see). I think publicising this more would definitely make a difference, but more than that, people just need a kick up the arse to invest.
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Post by Debs on Jan 9, 2009 23:38:05 GMT
I inhabit another band's board much more than I do this one, and I think I've said before that one of the band is a massive Patrick Wolf fan. Mickey (said band member) started a thread about Patrick and Bandstocks one day last week. Some of the comments: We're a board that's generally quite a lot older than this board (avg. age 30, I reckon), and while I see that the younger members of this forum might not have a tenner to splash around some of us older gits have credit crunches, mortgages and inflation to deal with I found this comment quite interesting too:
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Post by Teen Wolf on Jan 10, 2009 0:37:15 GMT
I'll be investing as soon as they make it available to Canadians, i don't know how much i can invest at present but i'll buy stocks on more than one occasion.
obviously i want to see the album become reality, but also i think it's an interesting idea and it would be really cool to be a part of it. All the perks that come with it are just icing on the cake. A signed C.D. would be awesome tho.
my only question is how long is this bandstocks thing running for, how much time do i have to buy stocks? i'll do all i can but times are tough money wise so i can't just plunk down the funds all at once. does anyone know how long the buying stocks phase runs for?
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Jan 10, 2009 1:12:47 GMT
i think publicity really is what's not working it. it needs to be whored out more. i plan to invest just as soon as i have any money to invest because right now i struggle to afford anything, but as...someone said, i don;t reallt mindhow much return i get. i'm not putting £10 in with the expectation of getting it back. i just want NEW MUSIC.
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Post by mimicry on Jan 10, 2009 1:33:59 GMT
I will invest as soon as a plan is rolled out for non-UKers. I am really excited. I always love hearing his music, and being able to go and support him a few years ago and see him live and buy tshirts like I can usually do with more local bands was a dream! I won't be able to invest much, like others, but I think my student loan may be giving me a check soon so I may be able to fritter some of it away on something more worthwhile than art supplies. Patrick's music is my main art supply anyway.
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Post by allison on Jan 10, 2009 5:44:50 GMT
i plan to invest once its open to people outside the UK. i haven't invested so far even though people have done it, and i could have gotten family in england to buy stocks for me, but i didn't. i mean i thought about it but i decided not to. and i'm not sure why... . if time were running out and he hadn't raised enough funds i might've 'cheated'. i won't invest because i want any return. i want to show my love and support and faith in patrick. i think he's an amazing man and i've been sorry to see all his struggles with the music industry. i really want to give this to him, the gift of an album to *him*, not for my sake, if that makes sense? regarding publicity, i first heard about it via a thing on pitchforkmedia, not myspace (which i don't really do) or facebook or any online fan community. so i think to spread the word the media's got to be more involved. most fans of patrick probably aren't a part of this forum, or the LJ community, or check the myspace stuff, or whatever. but they might read magazines and music related websites. i'm actually pretty well off at the moment, money wise so i'll buy a few shares once i can. i'm glad that the pound is weaker, cause now my poor american dollar will go further
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Post by newslang on Jan 10, 2009 17:41:39 GMT
What I don't understand is that international fans want to buy stocks, yet for example in the US surely the album is released under a seperate contract? At this point who knows how it will be released internationally. The big point is that if the album needs funding people want to support Patrick regardless of where they're from. Also - everyone should realize that even if you're only giving £10 it still helps - if you look at the amount most people are investing (when you sign up and see the bricks of investors) most people are only purchasing like 2-3 stocks. And to actually answer the questions of this thread, the only reason I haven't yet invested is the international thing. Once it's up and running I'll probably buy 3-5 (economics... I may not have a job by the summer, or at most a very sparce one). I'm not investing because of the perks, but they seem pretty neat-o ; I wouldn't expect them to do international events, though, since there probably will be a spattering of investors here and there (in NA at least).
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Post by jazz hands on Jan 10, 2009 18:18:14 GMT
even non-UK residents want to see video clips, a wonderous wardrobe and to make sure that patrick will tour outside the uk.
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Post by jazz hands on Jan 11, 2009 10:00:39 GMT
i really wish Patrick'd release a single already, like the fryars did, so he'd get publicity and could use that publicity to promote bandstocks. I think one of the main reasons that there weren't that many bandstocks sold is that Patrick only relies on people who have myspace.. we can do this so much better, together, we can do it if you buy my bandstocks, together...
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Post by verocs on Jan 11, 2009 18:22:06 GMT
maybe we need to do some guerrilla promotion to get the info on tv / radio eg call live radio programmes and bring the subject up, find out where the bbc is recording some live news coverage and sneak behind the reporter with a big banner or a streaker running onto a football pitch holding a giant version of his bandstocks banner or he should start slagging off other musicians / celebrities and start a verbal war with them - that has worked rather well for a lot of people in the past...
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Post by jay on Jan 11, 2009 19:24:34 GMT
haha, awesome.
or indeed stage-crash status quo on this morning?
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