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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2007 18:41:00 GMT
He was misquoted in the NME. "If you travel to Germany, it's still absolutely Germany. If you travel to Sweden, it still has a Swedish identity. But travel to England and you have no idea where you are" (-what he said, from BBC) The ideas were similar, but if any one of you knows a thing about Morrissey or his opinions, you would immediately know that he's been repeatedly accused of being "racist" by the NME and that the egotistical individuals who stir up this bullshit are WRONG. He was expressing his opinions on place and identity and it was mostly directed towards his personal decision about living in america vs. returning to the UK. Reading what he actually said does not immediately make me think of race, but of culture the consistant effects of americanization. Someone always seems to be ready to jump at every chance they can possibly take to accuse Morrissey or racism without actually taking the effort to look into the matter. This is the exact reason why he refused to do anything for the NME for years, and I won't be surprised if he takes that course of action again. Excuse my slightly run-on sentences. It happens when I get frustrated. EXACTLY, conflicting culture (and not race) seemed to be what he was referring to.
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Post by dreammachine on Dec 2, 2007 2:51:58 GMT
Political Correctness is such a redundant term, it doesn't really mean anything much and exactly who ARE the PC Brigade? I've never met them. Some people just use it as a useful buzzword to inspire certain feelings, much like the dreaded 'family values'.
I believe these people (BNP et al) should be allowed to speak, just so we can all see how stupid they really are. Silence is dangerous and allows these stupid groups to gain ground.
The Sweden comment is funny, because I have many Swerdish friends and apparently what many would call 'Political Correctness' is much more prominent there. One girl told me 'its weird to point out someones race in Sweden'. Sweden is a much more tolerant place apparently.
The notion of British National Identity is interesting, yet flawed, much of it harks back to either Victorian Morals (lol) or 'Merry England' both places not really existing in the sense people imagined (or not at all). Britain has been stimulated over millenia from continuous immigration, Bloody Foriegners is an intersting read if you want to broach that interesting subject.
Morriseys point of view, while not explicitly 'OMG I AGREED WITH HITLER' does betray a certain arrogance mingeled with rose-tinted nostalgia held by many Britons. Hes looking back to an earlier time before terrorism and affarmitive action, race riots and the dreaded 'intergration'. We shouldnt rebuke him for these veiws, but we should argue the point that what he says isnt exactly right.
For one thing, hes always been a champion of the working classes, well before the idea of race was fully implemented by the 'higher-up's' ethnic minorities and the working classes used to have somewhat of a camaraderie as they were all being crapped on by the upper classes. This was destroyed when race as a solid unshakable idea came about, creating a new, legally recognised other.
Problems exist today, mostly due to the governments incompetence (yes moving a large amounts of people seeking asylum into one area may make sense in the short term, but a percieved loss of housing to them, coupled with right wing papers vitrol aern't going to make for pretty outcomes are they?).
I'm fed up personally with being 'The Other'. I am the child of immigrants, they did not destroy this country, through hard work they helped build it. I'll be damned if I'm going to be told how terrible 'my kind' are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2007 18:04:11 GMT
I liked your post, interesting reading. Immigration has been a good thing for this country. I work in Thorntons and we're currently getting people coming in with vouchers for a free chocolate bar that were printed in that bastion of British morality, the Daily Express. One lady brought in the whole page the voucher was included on, and once she'd left, I read the article on the back. It was about how 'plucky, hardworking Brits' were immigrating to Poland and helping pick up its economy through work. In the same article they lambasted Poles for coming here, stealing our jobs and described it as an 'invasion'. I don't think FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING FUCKS (aimed at the Express, not Polish people) quite covers it. Morriseys point of view, while not explicitly 'OMG I AGREED WITH HITLER' does betray a certain arrogance mingeled with rose-tinted nostalgia held by many Britons. Hes looking back to an earlier time before terrorism and affarmitive action, race riots and the dreaded 'intergration'. We shouldnt rebuke him for these veiws, but we should argue the point that what he says isnt exactly right. Yes. I found this earlier from Tim 'Twat' Jonze: MORRISSEY has been blasted as “woefully ignorant” by the journalist behind the magazine article that has caused a racism row.
The former SMITHS frontman is suing music mag NME over an interview which attributes a string of contentious quotes on immigration to him.
He says he was misquoted and the article distorted.
But now writer TIM JONZE has broken his silence to attack the singer’s views and defend his article’s integrity.
He fumes: “Every single quote attributed to Morrissey is 100 per cent correct. There was no provocation at all, and Morrissey was given a chance to apologise or clarify his views with a second telephone interview. At no point did he back down
“Little did I know I was about to provoke a Morrissey rant about UK immigration policy, a series of ignorant, racially inflammatory statements.”
Jonze asked that his name be removed from the offending piece prior to publication.
However he stresses that was because he believed the magazine did not go far enough in condemning the singer’s views.
He added: “Although Morrissey as a person was charming, courteous and (until this point) a joy to interview, I found comments such as ‘England's been thrown away’ and ‘these days you won't hear a British accent in Knightsbridge’ woefully ignorant.
“I wrote a piece saying that Morrissey - although liberal in many of his views - was using the language of the BNP and ENOCH POWELL when it came to immigration
“The piece was very critical and NME decided to tone it down, something I didn't agree with. They showed me several rewritten versions, some of which were very soft on Morrissey.”
And the hack blasts the basis of Mozza’s lawsuit – that he was misrepresented in the interview.
“What's clear, though, is this - the ‘I've been stitched up’ card is the last bastion of someone who's said something offensive but is too scared to back this up, yet too stubborn to apologise."'“Little did I know I was about to provoke a Morrissey rant about UK immigration policy, a series of ignorant, racially inflammatory statements.” ' Like hell you didn't know Jonze, and if you sincerely didn't, then you give dumbasses a bad name.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2007 13:43:34 GMT
Quite so. If anything, the NME is way too reserved, they're too quick to jump on the defence. They can't pretend they're punk and cutting edge when they shriek in horror at any slightly 'controversial' comment. Morrissey's statement.The narrow cast of repeated subjects sets off the agony, a mesmerizing mess of very brief and dispassionate articles unable to make thought evolve; a marooned editor who holds the divine right to censor any views that clash with his own.
The editorial treatment given to my present interview with the "new" NME is the latest variation on an old theme, but like a pre-dawn rampage, the effects of the interview have been meticulously considered with obvious intentions. It is true that the magazine is ailing badly in the market place, but Conor doesn't understand how the relentless stream of "cheers mate, got pissed last night, ha ha" interviews that clutter every single issue of the "new" NME are simply not interesting to those of us who have no trouble standing upright.HEEE
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2007 15:31:00 GMT
Uh yeah, people only needed to click the link I posted to read all that
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Post by andyayre on Dec 5, 2007 15:37:05 GMT
i really do love morrisey, but youd think by now that if you say anything slightly contreversial to any member of the press it will be blown thoroughly out of hand in order to sell papers? the daft banana.
and when it comes to freedom of speech, nana was right. if youve got nothing nice to say dont say anything at all. mwah! xxx
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