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Feb 26, 2010 19:06:12 GMT
Post by Rhiflect on Feb 26, 2010 19:06:12 GMT
The only one I remember was Scott Mills! Also the two mentioned above Also Liz, SO agreed on the drama GCSE thing. My friend pretty much plays Effy in our final piece. By the way, was that some Micachu and the Shapes I heard last week (on Katie's episode)? Only they make music with dissonant pots and pans. Josh, I am so proud that you cried! Welcome to my sad little world!
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Feb 26, 2010 19:19:00 GMT
Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Feb 26, 2010 19:19:00 GMT
I think all the people making the A-level drama digs might do well to remember that the many of the writers (this one included I think.. ) aren't much older or much more experienced than A-level students themselves. I like the hit and miss "rawness" of that (because for me it caputres the teenage expeirence but I don't think I was as sophesticated a teenager as you guys are..) , and even if you don't enjoy watching the show.. you know most TV writers are in their forties and it's an amazingly hard business to crack into. Perhaps some of the kids writing for Skins will be genius by the time they're 40 thanks to the experience of getting a chance to work in television at such a tender age.. it really is quite unprecedented.
I don't think this episode really needed to be "subtle".. watching someone you love totally fall apart and push you away in the process is rarely a nuanced chin-stroking experience, especially though the eyes of a teenger. Trust me, I'm been there.. quite recently in fact. This episode needed to be a viseral kick in the gut, and I think it was.
Peter Capaldi as Sid's Dad was probably the best of the celebrity parents I think..
Also what's weird about watching the Unseen Skins? They're CANON and some of Cassie's finest moments were in them! Maybe not a good time to confess I'm a regular on the Skins IMDB forum.. and most of my posts here are cut+pasted from there?
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Feb 26, 2010 19:26:02 GMT
Post by mynameisHughGrant on Feb 26, 2010 19:26:02 GMT
nothing wrong with the unseen skins, I just think there's very limited interest now compared to the heyday.
Also, I was a better script writer than that at A Level. And I'm not writing scripts for skins. I'm not saying that the writers are talentless and nothing will ever become of them, just that maybe someone should eb there to tell them to stop before the LONELINESS! IGNORED! SUICIDE! collage enters the equation. They come up with some lovely little quirks though, and I would like to see more from that line of thinking rather than the teen cliche. yes, I know there's an accent missing.
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Feb 26, 2010 19:39:00 GMT
Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Feb 26, 2010 19:39:00 GMT
Also, I was a better script writer than that at A Level. You know I'm a big fan of you and all Liz.. but much like the time Izzy claimed to have the mental mainpulation prowess of Derren Brown, you're going to have to back that statement up with some proof.. It's pretty common to be sniggered at for liking Skins by older teenagers and early twentysomethings of an alternative/culture leaning bent.. but I find it interesting how that contrasts with the fact that people who work in the television industry and "the critics" tend to bum it. I'm not saying that status makes their opinions more vaild, it's just interesting. Skins seems to be mainly enjoyed by younger teens who aspire to it and 30/40 something TV/drama geeks.
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Feb 26, 2010 19:49:28 GMT
Post by mynameisHughGrant on Feb 26, 2010 19:49:28 GMT
I didn';t mean I could write a better episode, jus tthat certain moments are exceedingly awkward. Mostly involving drugs or sex and often Effy, but that goes without saying.
sorry if what I am saying comes off as a criticism of liking skins (it isn't, I've watched all series, full of criticisms as I might be). I think I'm a bit too close to the type of people aspiring to skins to be entirely comfortable with some parts, because they just aren't 'natural' to a lot of the kids who emulate these characters, and for someone like me that is very irritating. As I said, I really think it is the quirks that make it. Lord knows it's not the acting, which is often faltering.
edit: but to give some back up to my claim, I did say to my group "no, I don't think we need AIDS, anorexia, closet homosexuality and a broken home in one piece" They didn't listen.
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Feb 26, 2010 20:06:50 GMT
Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Feb 26, 2010 20:06:50 GMT
I think that ties in with the point I was making about the kind of people who tend to like Skins. Being a bit older, I think it's easier for me to enjoy.. cos I'm deteched from the "culture" it's meant to represent. I would have HATED Skins when I was 18... HATED HATED. Now, I can view these characters from a distance, I can see them as daft, troubled little brothers and sisters who need a good talking to and a helping hand. They don't bring images to mind of super cool peers who I might have to work alongside and have annoying the shit out of me, or worry about rejecting me.
Skins is basically pretty people crying and sliting their wrists on E to obscure indie music. That's pretty much a perfect reflection of my teenage years if you take out the "pretty" bit.
Sorry if I seemed aggressive, I guess the point I was contesting was the "it is badly written/GCSE drama standard" when I just think it's often not to your taste. I think from a techincal scriptwriters point of view, the dialogue is often very economic, things are conveyed via showing not telling (which so much tv FAILS at) and I like the often slow and mediative pacing, you'd really expect a "yoof" show to fast cuts everywhere and WAYEEEYY and whoosh.
Of course there's a lot NOT to like too (so much of series 3 was awful), but the reason I love it.. is because even when its head lets it down its heart always beats firmly away in the right place.
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Mar 2, 2010 2:42:09 GMT
Post by helwin tins on Mar 2, 2010 2:42:09 GMT
I know Josh already touched on it, but it's GCSE/A-level acting because that's how old they are in real life. Same goes for the script, it's cliched, awkward bits are because it's written by amateurs. Not particularily GOOD amateurs, but whatevz. I dunno how I feel about that episode, I feel the Effy/Freddy storyline is cutting it a bit too close to the Sid/Cassie one which was done so beautifully before. With them it was like you could feel her intense loneliness and desperation, which was countered by Sid being so helpless, and it's just not coming across as well with Freffy. Neither of them are seeming vulnerable enough I guess, and with something like this it's really all or nothing.
Also, the convo between Effy's mum and Freddie outside the hospital was shit. "She was like a beautiful bomb" -congrats on remembering alliteration from GCSE. Fucking awful.
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Mar 2, 2010 18:02:02 GMT
Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Mar 2, 2010 18:02:02 GMT
Oh jesus if they'd done that same episode with Cassie and Sid, it would have been fucking DEVASTATING, awkwardness and overly obvious bits and all.
I think Freddie was meant to be the "Sid" of this generation, inarticulate everyman "hero" of the piece. However, in this country we tend to prefer underdogs, and are less likely to get behind brooding Ken Doll/Underwear model types... (thank god)
Cassie and Effy on the other hand are polar opposites. Cassie (at least up in till Sid shagged Michelle and she went all Dark Willow) just wanted to be loved and protected in a way her awful hippy parents obviously never did. Effy on the other hand is terrified by the very concept of being loved or having to count on anyone else. It's like something Sibz said about me and Luke once. Effy is too repressed, Cassie wasn't repressed enough, in cruel/blunt terms Effy needs to soften, and Cassie needed to toughen/grow up. Hence Effy going totally Ophelia when faced with the anxiety of letting her guard down the way she has since getting together with Freddie.
I'm not one of these people who cries at any sad bit in a TV progam (haha, god love you Rhi) and this one got to me. I think it covered some aspects of mental illness and dealing with it Cassie's storyline didn't. I rang true of my experiences in having mentall ill partners, and especially Effy's motivations for pushing Freddie away hit hard in their resmeblence to relatively recent happenings in my life.
I much prefer TV (and art in general) that isn't afraid to wear it's heart on its sleeve and get things wrong occasionally. It's much "safer" to write a tongue in cheek, knowing parade of pop culture archetypes like Glee (as fun as Glee is) than it is to write something earnest on mental illness/suicide. I loved all the un-self conscious "poetic" diaologue like from Ms Stonem etc.. Also Rhi, Liz you talk about subject that Skins addresses like suicide, mental illness, homosexuality, anorexia etc being standards in teenage drama productions.. doesn't that kind of suggest these are things that are important to teenagers? If so aren't these "cliches" what Skins SHOULD be about? Cliches are cliches for a reason after all. As a 25 year old who's seen a fair bit of drama in his time, I thought it was a good if not perfect explortation of the subject in terms of "quality".
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Mar 2, 2010 18:10:43 GMT
Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Mar 2, 2010 18:10:43 GMT
I'd also like to point out I did my final GCSE drama piece on self mutilation.. haha. My characters name was "Richey Edwards", subtle stuff!
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Mar 2, 2010 18:14:08 GMT
Post by Jazzy Jeff on Mar 2, 2010 18:14:08 GMT
I'd also like to point out I did my final GCSE drama piece on self mutilation.. haha. My characters name was "Richey Edwards", subtle stuff! I love you for this.
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Mar 4, 2010 23:36:55 GMT
Post by Rhiflect on Mar 4, 2010 23:36:55 GMT
JJ GOT THAT POON! YAY!
Really nice episode, didn't cry, for once. Can't be arsed to go into details, but I pretty much liked everything!
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Mar 5, 2010 0:57:49 GMT
Post by dot on Mar 5, 2010 0:57:49 GMT
I love JJ.
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Mar 5, 2010 1:06:08 GMT
Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Mar 5, 2010 1:06:08 GMT
As someone who often finds the humour in the show a little flat I was hooting away for the whole hour (yes.. even the advert breaks! "there's a singer called Daisy Dares You?" lolololol etc)
My favourite of the season. I don't know if there's an equivalent to GLAAD in the world of the autistic spectrum/neurodiveristy, but this deserves somesort of award for its positive and aspirational portrayal of an autistic person (if that's what JJ's condition is, I like that it's never made overt, makes it more universally relatable) so many "punch the air" moments for someone who cares about these issues.
I like how it was subtly implied that JJ's Dad has an autstic spectrum condition too. (at least by my reading)
If only I had the national ukulele orchestra on call myself, perhaps my lovelife wouldn't be as much of a trainwreck haha. This of course poses the question, is JJ a Patrick Wolf/Owen Pallet fan?
In fact that only potential flaw I found in this episode was the pop culture reference drive might have got a little over zealous near the end Michael Jackson/George Formby/Spandu Ballet/Star Trek.. but hell excess is the most forgiveable of creative flaws.
This really felt like an entirely different show to Freddie's episode. I'm so happy the show that won my heart in 2007/08 seems to be back. Form, thou art returning!
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Mar 5, 2010 7:50:24 GMT
Post by Rhiflect on Mar 5, 2010 7:50:24 GMT
is JJ a Patrick Wolf/Owen Pallet fan? Most certainly! I also loved the parents and Cook in this episode. Everything that Josh said! Also, I am spectacularly proud of myself for knowing that the ukelele song was Spandau Ballet!
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Mar 5, 2010 19:02:13 GMT
Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Mar 5, 2010 19:02:13 GMT
can i just have a 'phwoar' for naked cook also, plz? uuuuum. yum. hrrrrrrrrgh. bhrtjvrbsjnk. YES. It's much more socially acceptable for girls who aren't gay or even properly bi to go on about how sexy say Scarlett Johansson or Angelina Jolie are.. so I'm going do my bit for gender equality and say.. Cook is SEX. Really, he is. Also the bit where he said he'd been drinking his own piss was one of the funniest bits the show has had.
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Mar 5, 2010 19:27:47 GMT
Post by mynameisHughGrant on Mar 5, 2010 19:27:47 GMT
This is the best of the series so far, well done skins. JJ is the only character I can instantly warm to. Aacting-wise it flowed really well. Maybe JJ (real life name not important) is the best actor in the current teen cast. He's one of the few where I've never thought "You are acting."
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Mar 5, 2010 20:19:57 GMT
Post by emmavictoria on Mar 5, 2010 20:19:57 GMT
I thought the ending was brilliant. I would happily download that version of the song! I think that season four is definitely better than season 3 so far. Freddie's episode had me in tears
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Mar 6, 2010 0:01:18 GMT
Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Mar 6, 2010 0:01:18 GMT
I think JJ is a good "comic actor" I see him being in more comedies than dramas in the future. Naomi is also pretty good in the deadpan funny bits but AWFUL in the dramatic bits.
They all seem to be "playing themselves" to a degree, I'm tempted to say Cook is the best actor cos he's the most convincing, but then you see him in interviews and he IS Cook so maybe Effy is the best actress (issues with her character aside) cos COOL PEOPLE WHO HAVE HER ON TWITTER will tell you she's kinda an over excited cheap and cheery townie type IRL, pretty polar opposite to Effy.
Talking of Effy, even I'm not so sure the next ep will be worth watching. I did like Freddie but TWO episodes of Effy wangst in series that's only eight episodes long with two characters not gettign eps is a bit.. hm? Plus it's written by Jamie Brittain who co-created the show with his dad but is the WORST Skins writer.
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Mar 6, 2010 1:11:31 GMT
Post by mynameisHughGrant on Mar 6, 2010 1:11:31 GMT
This is the best of the series so far, well done skins. JJ is the only character I can instantly warm to. Aacting-wise it flowed really well. Maybe JJ (real life name not important) is the best actor in the current teen cast. He's one of the few where I've never thought "You are acting." i think he is abysmal but yknow variety in opinion = good sign so whatevzzzzzzzz gosh i am artiiculate i am always aware he is acting he flares his nostrils it's annoying so annoying urgh . fullstop. some people just have large nostrils. But I mean, he's the one of the few who doesn't have a "acting voice". I notice it a lot with the twins and naomi and freddie, they all have special voices for acting with and it really bothers me.
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Mar 6, 2010 1:47:30 GMT
Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Mar 6, 2010 1:47:30 GMT
A lot of real life people have "special" voices for saying serious business stuff with though.
Not that I'm defending Naomi and Freddie's acting.
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