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Post by husbandwifeheroin on May 11, 2010 12:37:13 GMT
I really hated Just Dance and I still do. Only until paparazzi came out did I really 'get into' Gaga.
Also, Emily is a brilliant song.
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Post by Tellurium on May 11, 2010 12:55:54 GMT
Awww, Anna! Poor Just Dance is just doing the best it knows how to, bless it.
Actually, I've always enjoyed that one. Paparazzi is the one I've had trouble with. Different strokes and all that.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on May 11, 2010 13:18:41 GMT
What's radical and risqué now will not be thus in twenty years time. Madonna!? I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I think Lady Gagas pop music is good enough to still be played in ten years time, like Madonna, or Wham, or like, The Spice Girls. The 'cultural significance' is just another reason why. Also, what's to say she won't be still releasing in ten years, like her seventh album or something? It's more likely that she will be than Joanna Newsom. The Spice Girls? People honestly still listen to the Spice Girls for reasons other than kitsch nostalgia in 2010? Oh baby, baby it really is a wild world... One thing to keep in mind is cult acts do tend to be allowed longer careers than "of the moment" mainstream commercial juggernauts. Joanna Newsom has a (comparatively) small but dedicated audience.. Gaga has that dedicated following too but the vast majority of her record sales come from a large and fickle mainstream of casual music fans. Who could well just move on to the next big thing. Cult acts are called "cult" for a reason; they command a lasting loyalty that is much more sustaining than a fleeting burst of major label cash and hype. Just look at how quickly the "hot mainstream acts of the moment" of the past decade have come and gone. Yes Madonna is still listened to, but what about her mainstream pop contemporaries? Where's Tiffeny, Debbie Gibson, Paul Abdul etc? Acts who sold massive amounts in the eighties are now not listened to at all, where as the vast swathes of the cult and underground groups who sold peanuts in comparison from that era still command an audience. (I'm listening to Sonic Youth as I type this.. they sold about what Newsom sells now in the eighties, and are seen as legends and still releasing acclaimed stuff now) What's allowed Madonna to survive is the same thing Gaga must do.. she's changed, evolved and adapted as an artist, love her or hate her. I think a lot of "opinion as fact" is going on in this thread, which is totally understanable as the topic of Gaga/Newsom's longevity is entirely speculative. However I'm fairly confident from my knowledge of pop/music history that I'll be proven right. Do you want to make an actual bet on it Florence? since we'll blatently still be tight in ten years.
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Post by admin on May 11, 2010 13:27:24 GMT
The Spice Girls? People honestly still listen to the Spice Girls for reasons other than kitsch nostalgia in 2010? Oh baby, baby it really is a wild world... Hello, have we met? I genuinely believe Geri Halliwell is a brilliant pop songwriter, and that she'd be the next Cathy Dennis (in the sense of being responsible for some of the biggest pop songs of the last decade, rather than being a failed middle-aged popstar because... yeah) if she wasn't such a self-serving, fame-hungry arsehole. I still like Spice Girls' third album, though, which I believe is considered a mental disorder by this point. Cheerio, Michael. xxx
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on May 11, 2010 13:32:12 GMT
Geri was always the best Spice Girl (though obviously I faniced Emma at the time... and *gulp* Victoria. Look I was 11 ok? I much prefered Louise anyway) the most clued up anyway.
Do you remember when the Spice Girls came out in support of the Conservatives in the 1997 election?
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Post by admin on May 11, 2010 15:26:43 GMT
Do you remember when the Spice Girls came out in support of the Conservatives in the 1997 election? They didn't. They were interviewed for some political paper and came out an even mix, but Geri gave them their pull quote, something about Margaret Thatcher having girl power, so they went with that. Wish I could find the interview, actually, it's very funny. Cheerio, Michael. xxx
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on May 11, 2010 16:14:20 GMT
It was the Spectator if I remember rightly. I seem to recall the two Mel's (the northern ones) were Labour and the other three Tory.
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Post by lastgoodbye on May 11, 2010 18:53:30 GMT
Do you want to make an actual bet on it Florence? since we'll blatently still be tight in ten years. Yes, yes I do! (Although I can see us arguing about who has won at the time, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it). I'm fairly sure I'm right, you see
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Post by Rhiflect on May 11, 2010 19:35:29 GMT
I still like Spice Girls' third album, though, which I believe is considered a mental disorder by this point. Cheerio, Michael. xxx Genuine LOL. You've been hilarious in this thread, MBush (not that you aren't in general). Intelligent music?! This THREAD'S too intelligent for me! I'm terrible for immediately assuming my taste in music is better than people who don't share similar tastes. However, I spend so much time listening to the radio (I like it being on) that I genuinely hear so much music I hate all the time (see: JLS, Cheryl Cole, 30H!3 etc etc), that I am so relieved when I hear my 'good' music. But that's just tastes, isn't it. I personally always used to believe that 'intelligent' music was stuff that didn't focus on generic issues, and had a bit more depth to it than just 'DAT LADY IS SEXII' which seems to be the majority of Akon's music. I don't know that, that appears to be wrong! Haha.
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Post by Popinjay on May 12, 2010 15:50:18 GMT
I quite like her music, but not her... how do I put this... personality? (I know I don't know her, but I'm talking about how she tries to portray her personality, and how the media does too)
Some of costumes are really radical and inventive, which I approve of and I like quite a lot of her music (it's damn catchy!), but her videos always seem a bit slutty to me, and I believe that music should be about, well music. Not how good looking or "sexy" a singer looks/acts.
But her music, as I've said, I like. I do believe you can like someone as a person but dislike their music, and vice versa.
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Post by tarantella on Jun 1, 2010 16:45:08 GMT
live.showstudio.com/God, I love her so much. She is so thoughtful and intelligent and passionate, I could listen to her talk all day. ETA: She reaffirms everything that Meghan Vicks and Kate Durbin (creators of Gaga Stigmata) say in this interview about Gaga's postmodern blurring and conflation of traditionally dichotomous categories: "She embodies a number of oppositions: sacred and profane, man and woman, sexy and horrifying... She complicates categories of gender (masculine or feminine?), sex (does she have a dick, or not?), body (where does her body end and costume begin?), and human (is she human or monster, and is there a difference between the two?)." It's all completely intentional, and there's so much thought put into it. What she has to say about the VMA outfit -- how it's designed to bleed on its own, independent of a human -- that totally calls into question the boundaries of humanity and animality. She has another dress that she's been wearing on tour that moves on its own, and it's no accident that she calls it 'the living dress.' She's using fashion to complicate our understandings of what it even means to be alive, to be a living thing. So, so brilliant. And I love that she's educated herself about feminism and now wholeheartedly embraces it. She's inspiring so many fans to care about women's rights and queer rights. Just, ♥.
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Post by helwin tins on Jun 1, 2010 17:07:28 GMT
her videos always seem a bit slutty to me. ugh.
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Post by lastgoodbye on Jun 1, 2010 17:40:16 GMT
her videos always seem a bit slutty to me. ugh. Yes, I thought this. It reminds me (on a slightly different tangent) of a conversation I saw between some boys on Facebook yesterday, about how he loved how Ke$ha was "such a whore" and was "gagging for it even more than Lady Gaga". Yes, of course these beautiful successful women are dying to sleep with you, ignorant underdeveloped cocky teenage boys. I would have butted into their conversation if I could have expressed myself in a way that was sufficiently scornful, but it seemed like a bit of a lost cause.
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Post by darkshines on Jun 1, 2010 23:02:15 GMT
Her face is weird. But her music is awesome, I love her being so strange and I'm kind of addicted to her Agreed on Patrick.
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Post by mimicry on Jun 2, 2010 15:28:29 GMT
live.showstudio.com/God, I love her so much. She is so thoughtful and intelligent and passionate, I could listen to her talk all day. ETA: She reaffirms everything that Meghan Vicks and Kate Durbin (creators of Gaga Stigmata) say in this interview about Gaga's postmodern blurring and conflation of traditionally dichotomous categories: "She embodies a number of oppositions: sacred and profane, man and woman, sexy and horrifying... She complicates categories of gender (masculine or feminine?), sex (does she have a dick, or not?), body (where does her body end and costume begin?), and human (is she human or monster, and is there a difference between the two?)." It's all completely intentional, and there's so much thought put into it. What she has to say about the VMA outfit -- how it's designed to bleed on its own, independent of a human -- that totally calls into question the boundaries of humanity and animality. She has another dress that she's been wearing on tour that moves on its own, and it's no accident that she calls it 'the living dress.' She's using fashion to complicate our understandings of what it even means to be alive, to be a living thing. So, so brilliant. And I love that she's educated herself about feminism and now wholeheartedly embraces it. She's inspiring so many fans to care about women's rights and queer rights. Just, ♥. quoted/agreed so hard!
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Post by sarah on Jun 3, 2010 13:19:08 GMT
wow, some people try way too hard to make meanings out of nothing. shall we analyse the theme of loss of faith in god in s club 7 songs next?
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Post by Rhiflect on Jun 3, 2010 17:01:19 GMT
I lost my faith in god when S Club 7 split up. If he was omnibenevolent, why would he let them go?!
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Post by Xteenuh on Jun 4, 2010 19:09:52 GMT
wow, some people try way too hard to make meanings out of nothing. shall we analyse the theme of loss of faith in god in s club 7 songs next? I dunno yo, I think Lady Gaga aims to show a lot of meaning in what she does (mostly in her performance art and videos) but whats brilliant about this is that she connects these meanings to her fairly simple pop songs in relevant ways. She's an extremely intelligent woman, you can tell by hearing her talk, and even though shes pop I think she really wants people to see her and think about things, think about what it is shes doing in her art and work. I actually somewhat think the same thing about Ke$ha... I don't like her music as much as Gaga's (she's hella fun to dance/sing to though can get REALLY annoying if overplayed). I mean this chick had near perfect SAT scores and was about to graduate with an IB diploma. You cannot be a dumbass in any way to do that in my opinion... I think what her work says is "fuck this, fuck everything" and she sort of mocks the celebrity/party life she sings about, almost goes against the pretentiousness of it all and I really think she does that on purpose. Plus why not drop everything, cover yourself in dirt and glitter and make catchy pop songs to be successful if you could, right?! YES I'M ANALYZING KE$HA'S ART AND MUSIC. I kind of like her in a weird way.
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Post by sarah on Jun 4, 2010 20:41:20 GMT
i was more meaning that gaga stigmata website. thing is most people aren't going to get the connections she's making, i sure as hell didn't get the majority of the shite that blog went on about in the telephone video, you can analyse anything and make it about whatever you want, which is fair enough but is it really necessary to go that in-depth? it just seemed silly, like most other music videos. unless people are having it specifically pointed out to them that it's all got deep meanings and things they're probably just going to see it as a fun pop video that's a bit over the top. i dunno who ke$ha is so can't make any comment about her
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Post by Xteenuh on Jun 5, 2010 1:08:21 GMT
Yeah you're right, most people WON'T see that, but I think thats what I like about what she does... she hides a lot of meaning in something that on the surface looks like over the top pop videos. Its almost like her stuff is supposed to be BOTH simple AND complicated. Thats just how I see it though.
LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO THE MAGIC OF KE$HA:
She wakes up in the morning feeling like P. Diddy.
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