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Post by wolfman117 on Aug 17, 2009 4:29:27 GMT
OK 1. Yes he was provoked. However, it's irrelevant. You need need to get over the victim-blame mentality. 2. It's size that's the real issue. He's bigger than most men, let alone women. 3. There's a difference betweek having a silly avatar on the internet and physically attacking people. Don't belittle the crime by comparing them. 4. I think as fans, we have a right to comment on his behaviour, especially when we're the ones who funded this tour. If you're giving money to someone to do something, you want to know that while they're doing that thing they're acting in a manner that is mature and rational. oh yes we own him now, he better put on a suit and smile
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 17, 2009 4:34:48 GMT
Either you can't read or you're being facetious.
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Post by horrorshock666 on Aug 17, 2009 4:36:37 GMT
And he goes and says this on Twitter:
'The audience comes first. I am just a vessel for you.The promoters badly organised a festival. I made a very public complaint. No regrets'
Well, no actually Patrick... you are NOT a vessel for me and obviously alot of your fans on this one, as you would see if you read this. Its everyones fault but yours clearly, your only 26, your only an adult, its quite alright for you to get pissed off and attack an innocent person, yet alone a woman. And that is NOT a complaint, that was aggressive, stupid, irresponsible and idiotic behaviour. This is a complaint, all be it one written far too early in the morning after no sleep and thus is probably full of error and mistakes.
No regrets... i wish i could say the same.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Aug 17, 2009 5:39:55 GMT
I am probably going to have to leave this debate before I do the verbal equivalent of lobbing some mic stands. It is very rare for me that I am in a debate in which I had don't have the slightest shred of respect or empathy for the opposing points of view, but here I am.
I personal get more of a visceral sickness and trembling in the stomach area from the sight/though of male-on-female violence than I do male-on-male violence for example, that isn't totally rational, but I make no apologies for it (two can play that game Pratrick). Sibz is entirely correct that the issue is size, and while statistically men tend on average to be physically bigger and stronger than women, there's obviously quite a lot of women who could easily physically intimidate a man, and plenty of small and frail men at that.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Aug 17, 2009 10:06:56 GMT
what really bothers me is that this woman was probably the minion of some higher power. It's no different from me at work, if I had to refuse someone a drink and they started throwing glasses, if not at me, then towards me. It's terrifying and intimidating and shouldn't happen.
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Post by the kalashnikov kid on Aug 17, 2009 10:10:37 GMT
Wait wait wait wait
I disagree entirely with the height argument
I am 6'4, I am Patrick Danger Wolf's height. I am slimmer than he is, but I am still the same height. If I was to hurl a microphone at somebody, this would not make it threatening, as I am still a spacker. I think Patrick is a spacker too. In conclusion, no matter you're build it is MEAN TO THROW A MICROPHONE?
ALSO GUYS, JUST BECAUSE VICTORIA IS A LADY DOESN'T MEAN SHE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM DANGEROUS CIRCUMSTANCE, isn't that what feminisms all about. Yes no?
Basically, Patrick is being a meany, size regardless
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Post by lastgoodbye on Aug 17, 2009 10:51:53 GMT
I'm not saying that's not an admirable theory, but you've got to admit that you'd be more frightened at having a 6"4 man throwing something at you than having Victoria throw something at you, right?
But you're right, it's not acceptable either way.
Ps. I never mentioned the spitting thing yet. I have a problem with spit. If someone spits in front of me, it makes me want to throw up. It affects me really badly.
At a festival the other day, I was at the barrier for this band and the guitarist right in front of us kept spitting, every few minutes. I started having convulsions and shaking and crying a nearly threw up every time he did it, and my friend had to be a champ and look after me the whole set and cover my eyes every single time he spat, because we were too squashed in to leave the crowd.
In short, I have a problem with him spitting. It's FUCKING DISGUSTING. and so not on. Ever. Ever ever ever. What a despicable way to show that you're mad at someone.
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Post by husbandwifeheroin on Aug 17, 2009 11:05:53 GMT
Ps. I never mentioned the spitting thing yet. I have a problem with spit. I absolutely agree Florence. Spitting is awful and I think perhaps the worst aspect of that video.
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Post by jadeface on Aug 17, 2009 11:17:07 GMT
If I read that what he did was 'art' one more time I might explode. I keep thinking 'right, I don't care, I'm not going to say anything anymore, as it's all been said and we're going in circles' but seriously? ART? I have a much more beautiful and enjoyable picture in my head of what I feel is art, and it is creative, not destructive or pathetic.
edit: But hey, I'm 21 and I don't have any heroes, so I guess like some others have said on that front, that has a lot to do with the difference in opinion.
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Post by adder on Aug 17, 2009 11:25:31 GMT
Who the hell has been saying it's art?! WTF
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Post by bluebird on Aug 17, 2009 11:35:53 GMT
could all this explain why victoria told us on way out west that he was a bit glum and they where leaving 'very soon', when we asked if we could meet him? (i didn't know by than what had happened, the show was amazing so i thought it was weird..)
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Post by jadeface on Aug 17, 2009 11:38:20 GMT
if you go @pw_official on twitter, many people say it is art. I've read at least 3 on there.
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Post by Rhiflect on Aug 17, 2009 12:38:46 GMT
The words 'lose/lose situation' spring to mind.
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Post by trixie on Aug 17, 2009 13:28:30 GMT
But isn't it all becoming too dramatic,now? He did wrong,for two times cause he didn't apologise,but he's only human...everyone does stupid things in life,or not?
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Post by bluebird on Aug 17, 2009 14:17:22 GMT
it feels like everything is getting a little blown-up..
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 17, 2009 15:30:48 GMT
It's escalating because not only has he not apologised, he's made a point of refusing to apologise.
Also, to Jonathan - he's more substantial than you. He looks skinny, but he's not really. Also, yes, spitting is disgusting.
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Post by trixie on Aug 17, 2009 16:21:40 GMT
and so? what's the point about going on in this discussion?
besides I think that he's not feeling well with himself and the fans right now,if he refused to see them at the last concert and from what he wrote in the last tweet.
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Post by oats on Aug 17, 2009 16:46:44 GMT
I agree. Some of these overly temperamental responses are leading to unnecessary and what I presume is unintentional shit stirring.
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Post by cinnamondream on Aug 17, 2009 17:12:40 GMT
I agree. Some of these overly temperamental responses are leading to unnecessary and what I presume is unintentional shit stirring. I haven't really seen any 'tempermental' responses or shit stirring. This thread has actually been far more tempered than I ever could have imagined it could be after seeing the video. What we have here is a thread of people trying to make sense of how they feel over this event. And quite rightly so. I might be new to this board but I'm not really new to Patrick or the ways of acceptable behaviour. People screw up all the time. But you suck it up, acknowledge that you screwed up and figure out how to move on from it. While I imagine Patrick is far more confused about how he feels having done this and his response so far seems to be that of a man trying to save face. Unfortunately it's only led people to be more confused over how they feel in these circumstances because there is no acknowledgement that he understands that his behvaviour was unacceptable. I said it earlier and if he truely doesn't see it, it's worrying. It is worrying when anyone behaves this way and thinks it's acceptable and I'm not going to have higher standards for Patrick than I would for anyone else. This does not mean I think he is a horrible person and the sense that I'm getting from everyone here is that most people feel the same. It is, however, confusing and talking it through is the only way people are going to make sense of it and move on.
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Post by lastgoodbye on Aug 17, 2009 17:17:47 GMT
and so? what's the point about going on in this discussion? besides I think that he's not feeling well with himself and the fans right now,if he refused to see them at the last concert and from what he wrote in the last tweet. Rule number one on this forum (or any): If you think a discussion has become pointless, then just leave the thread. Other people have a right to keep talking if they want to.
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