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Post by horrorshock666 on Aug 16, 2009 21:39:04 GMT
I think it is a fair outlook Miyamashi, and you are entitled to think of the situation in any way you like, i just find it hard to understand how a violent action of this nature, without any real justification or reason can be defended (and although you are not defending it as such, and i know that, there are people who are all over the internet).
I am a HUGE fan of Patricks, anyone who knows me knows this, but i can't help but feel the way i do about this. Its upsetting that people i know who know i like him have asked me why i support 'an idiot who verbally insults and attempts to attack an innocent woman' (and comments of that nature) when they have never heard his music... and theres nothing i can say. So at present, i can't support him when things like this have happened. As i have said, it would be better if he didn't brag about it and would stop being so stubborn and stupid and just apologise. For me at the moment he his digging his grave deeper.
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Post by newslang on Aug 16, 2009 22:14:04 GMT
I wonder what his response would have been if he hadn't missed his target? Or there was someone else hurt. Hopefully we never find out.
I've seen enough of his shows to know he has many sides to him; I'm glad he's only ever been lovely to me.... regardless, I think there's little he could do as a person to lose my support in his music.
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Post by Miyamashi on Aug 16, 2009 22:24:17 GMT
Yes, I agree completely, Horrorshock666. It is really disappointing to see him act this way, and to see how he's dealt with it thus far. I just...don't want to lose faith just yet. I'd like to still think he's a good guy, and not another one of those great artists who are just total jerks behind the scenes. I'm hoping he comes around and sees what he did wrong, and takes responsibility for it. (Although I will ALWAYS love his music, no matter what he does.)
Also, Rhi, exalt. Even if I am one of the people having a very strong reaction.
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Post by voilathestars on Aug 16, 2009 23:05:57 GMT
No, I don't agree with his reaction. Yes, I do think he overreacted. However: I won't quote everything you wrote, that will just be hard for others to read, but I do agree with almost everything you said. When I saw the video I didn't get repulsive I just thought the whole situation was odd. Yes it was bad that he reacted that way, but he is just human. I would like to hear his thoughts about all of this, before I judge him.
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Post by higsy on Aug 17, 2009 0:36:28 GMT
well I, for one, shall be releasing doves outside the courtroom. this made my day.
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Post by the kalashnikov kid on Aug 17, 2009 1:16:13 GMT
i hate you all
shut up before i throw a microphone at you nazis
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Aug 17, 2009 1:26:43 GMT
Eww, look who's here, backs against the wall lads!
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Post by newslang on Aug 17, 2009 1:29:29 GMT
Oh man I had a slight panic and was all 'here we go again' before I figured it out. Phew.
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Post by the kalashnikov kid on Aug 17, 2009 1:37:41 GMT
DAMN AM I SO TRANSPARENT THESE DAYS?
back to the normal me I guess
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 17, 2009 2:33:22 GMT
awww jonathan. normal you? never
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Aug 17, 2009 2:57:27 GMT
Ok, actually watched that video at last.
Take back what I said about being resigned to the fact that while I dislike Patrick, I like the boy in the records, no bigger female reproductive organs than the legends of music etc on the other thread.
I'm sorry but my first thought on seeing a near 7 foot tall "man" shamelessly act violently and intimidatingly toward a small woman made me ponder "where are the burly Madonna gig bouncers when you need them?" Seriously you'd think Patrick would know better than bullying and intimidation given his past. Bullied to bully, slap yourself on the fucking back arsehole.
The fact that fans are defending their hero after he PHYSICALLY ATTACKED A WOMAN on stage just disturbs me and boggles my mind
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Post by wolfman117 on Aug 17, 2009 3:15:34 GMT
i dont think its fair to speculate and add drama. To say he needs to get professional help, that's just rude. It could be true or it may not, but what do you know? that's just adding to the drama. Everytime he's had an "outburst" he was defending something he loves: the music. Just take it for what it was, an outburst of passion.
Its ridiculous that a festival will not do its job, its running on money and not integrity. Otherwise why would they allow previous bands to cut into the headliners set? isnt the headliner's set what a majority of fans pay to see? people travel far and pay loads of money to see headliners, why do they have to pay the price because the organizers cant do their job. Its happened at festivals i have gone to, were a headliner was cut by more than a half hour due to time curfews, which didn't make sense as other bands played longer sets than the headliners.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Aug 17, 2009 3:25:26 GMT
i dont think its fair to speculate and add drama. To say he needs to get professional help, that's just rude. It could be true or it may not, but what do you know? that's just adding to the drama. Everytime he's had an "outburst" he was defending something he loves: the music. Just take it for what it was, an outburst of passion. I'm sorry, if you saw a none-famous-popstar big tall bloke physically threatened and intimidated a woman at your local pub, how would you react? I thought the video would be the usual "oh Patrick has a wee girly strop/does something a bit irresponsible" but it actually upset me. I'm a COMPLETE wimp, but when I'm out if I see violent intimidation going off, ESPECIALLY of the male on female variety I have an almost compulsive urge to get involved.. it has that profound an impact on my gut and I'm in shock that anyone could be so blase about it. I knew that being a gentleman was out of style, but this is ridiculous... if I saw an incident like this happen, mark my words the last of my concerns would be appearing "rude".
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 17, 2009 3:38:45 GMT
I don't understand why people are using "passion" as an excuse for his behaviour? It's quite obviously not. How many people die from "crimes of passion" - it's not some eccentric, romantic notion that overrides other factors, it's just a motivation that's no more valid than being drunk when it comes to stuff like this.
ALSO, so WHAT that the venue fucked up?! This is one woman, doing her job who got physically and verbally assaulted by a 6'4" guy in public and people are defending the attacker! I mean, what the fuck guys, this isn't the Wolfboard I know! The venue could have told him he was only allowed to play one song, and he still wouldn't have been justified in his actions.
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Post by horrorshock666 on Aug 17, 2009 3:50:32 GMT
I just want to say, i agree with everything you have said 'fordawynne' and 'stopped clock' and i think you put in words what i've been trying to say through all my rambling posts. So thank you.
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Post by osker on Aug 17, 2009 3:58:55 GMT
THE WRATH OF PATRICK WOLFFFFFFFFFFF
FEAR HIS 6 FEET AND 4 INCHS OR HE WILL CURB-STOMP YOU
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Post by horrorshock666 on Aug 17, 2009 4:04:46 GMT
THE WRATH OF PATRICK WOLFFFFFFFFFFF FEAR HIS 6 FEET AND 4 INCHS OR HE WILL CURB-STOMP YOU Okay, and i suppose if that woman was you this would be said? Im pretty disgusted actually.
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 17, 2009 4:18:43 GMT
It's not really funny is it? It is actually kind of a big deal. He's lucky he wasn't arrested, there's enough witnesses.
Also, does anyone else remember the lyrics to Battle? - "fight without fists".
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Post by wolfman117 on Aug 17, 2009 4:19:03 GMT
I wasn't being blase about the situation, im just not going to be a hypocrite and say anger is not a part of me. I do not condone violence in any way to anyone, its just alot of people are pointing fingers. To me he doesn't seem like a violent person (yes ive seen the video!) it seems like an incident that was provoked, i mean Patrick is not limp bizkit douchebag or those macho dudes, c'mon 4 minutes left into his set! and they disrespectfully pulled the plug, that seems like a powertrip! Patrick was infuriated, rightfully so. Only he knows why he reacted that way. im kinda peeved that fordawynne, you've brought gender as if Patrick would have reacted to a male pulling the plug on his headlining set differently. I think the actions would have been the same, and he wasn't going after a weak woman who couldn't protect herself.
stopped clock your avatar is rather violent, I think you need professional help....just kidding! but see i felt very rude saying that to someone I dont know, and i do find the avatar disturbing and very violent but i cant judge the person as i dont know them. (im sure youre a lovely person) People should take responsibility for their actions and if he needs help, by all means he should get it, but i just feel were not the ones that should be telling him so, were just outsiders looking in, he has loved ones who have more right than us and am sure they'll let him know. Its not in our place as much as you feel connected to him through the music.
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 17, 2009 4:27:17 GMT
OK
1. Yes he was provoked. However, it's irrelevant. You need need to get over the victim-blame mentality.
2. It's size that's the real issue. He's bigger than most men, let alone women.
3. There's a difference betweek having a silly avatar on the internet and physically attacking people. Don't belittle the crime by comparing them.
4. I think as fans, we have a right to comment on his behaviour, especially when we're the ones who funded this tour. If you're giving money to someone to do something, you want to know that while they're doing that thing they're acting in a manner that is mature and rational.
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