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Post by hereisaname on Nov 12, 2007 14:41:37 GMT
I saw his last performance in Manchester Lane, on the 8th on July and from that I expected a fair amount more than what was given at the Corner Hotel.
Firstly at Manchester Lane, he played serveral more delightful songs and he interacted with the audience and made you feel apart of it, obviously there were certain factors that allowed a more intimate performance.
There will always be the wankers at any concert that are disrespectful to the artists, however, cracking the shits mid set is simply not good enough. If a musican can't deal with the pressure of playing frequent gigs, do what Cake do, and rarely/ never tour at least outside America....I think he has a bit of maturing to do.
By the sounds of things written above Patrick Wolf live is a bit of a hit and miss, and I won't be seeing him again after that pitiful effort....I think i'll be sticking to the albums like i have for the past 3 years, i just wish he valued his audiences who pay good money to see him and his band. kudos to the band who put up with him.
Anyway, what a sensitive melodramatic wank.
Funny however in hindsight.
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Post by madeline on Nov 12, 2007 14:44:56 GMT
After reading everyone's opinions, i still come to the same conclusion. I don't care how tired he was, it's bas showmanship to behave like that. I agree with J.C Wynne about how he isn't famous enough to behave like a diva. His die hard fans, like the people with the glitter, and the girl in that green hat are happy, for the rest of us normal people who enjoy his music rather than obsessing over someone, it was piss poor. I know touring is tough etc, but he was clearly on something...you don't behave like that when you're tired! As for his encore, i didn't feel that he played enough songs in his set for that to be considered an encore as such. It was more like half a set, break, then the rest of it. I think i would rather see a band that have a less diva act, and just get on with the show, and the music! very True! Not everyone is a mad obsessed fan that couldn't care less. I am one of those mad fans myself. But i still feel Music in the end is a job and you need to keep your clients happy. If it means 5 minutes overtime or to keep your cool even in the most aggravating times than so be it! Fans Are the ones to rely on to put the dinner on the table.
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Post by lltoastll on Nov 12, 2007 15:03:10 GMT
but he was clearly on something...you don't behave like that when you're i tired! this is what i hatepeople do behave like that when they're completely sober and drug free heck, i behave like that occasionally, nothing is going right that day and you just want to quit it for a while and sit and think and calm down or sleep why must you decide that he is on drugs ? what a silly assumption YES IT'S BEST NOT TO SPECULATE ON THE INTERWEBZ OR ELSE WE'LL GET ANOTHER DISASTER THREAD! I agree people were upset over his performance or lack thereof, but let's keep our opinions to ourselves for the sake of everyone's dignity. The opinions of those people who were at the show don't reflect the majority of the people on this board, so if an outsider reads this we don't want them to think that everyone feels this way, eh? ;D
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Post by jay on Nov 12, 2007 15:41:52 GMT
i think the general consensus is that we all think patrick is really knackered and needs to have a nice lie down and a cup of tea.
though, re: the diva comments, he's always been like that. it's just a lot more people are witnessing it now, instead of the 50 or so people at the old london shows way back in the day, so everyone is all OMGZ WTFUX GAY TANTRUMZ DRUGZ SCANDEL OMGZ MIKA TIEM. we all have the common sense to ignore those people and their fellow shitstirrers on the lj community, ja?
edit: can't believe this is my 999th post. i hope my next one isn't something shit like this.
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Post by Xteenuh on Nov 12, 2007 18:55:45 GMT
and personally, I think his 'diva outburst' was planned. I was watching the band and his sister winked at the other guys because the audience took it so seriously. I think he did it on purpose to make the show more extravagant and exciting. Though I wasn't there, it sure doesn't sound like it was planned according to everyone else's accounts. It sounds like he was genuinely pissed off and aggravated. Which is really, really unfortunate. I know he's been touring nearly non-stop for a year with this album which has gotta be really freakin' tough but come on Patrick, if you decide to keep doing more shows for people then you gotta do what you gotta do, even if you've had a terrible day or something is really bothering you you can't just throw a hissy-fit over it on stage in front of your fans and ruin the show for them. And even if it was planned that's just stupid, like I said it's ruining the show for his fans. Part of his job as a musician is to put on a decent show for his fans every night. They pay money and travel to come see him and letting them down with a stage tantrum is just shitty. i think the general consensus is that we all think patrick is really knackered and needs to have a nice lie down and a cup of tea. Yes. Exactly.
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Post by newslang on Nov 12, 2007 19:36:11 GMT
and personally, I think his 'diva outburst' was planned. I was watching the band and his sister winked at the other guys because the audience took it so seriously. I think he did it on purpose to make the show more extravagant and exciting. Though I wasn't there, it sure doesn't sound like it was planned according to everyone else's accounts. It sounds like he was genuinely pissed off and aggravated. Which is really, really unfortunate. I know he's been touring nearly non-stop for a year with this album which has gotta be really freakin' tough but come on Patrick, if you decide to keep doing more shows for people then you gotta do what you gotta do, even if you've had a terrible day or something is really bothering you you can't just throw a hissy-fit over it on stage in front of your fans and ruin the show for them. And even if it was planned that's just stupid, like I said it's ruining the show for his fans. Part of his job as a musician is to put on a decent show for his fans every night. They pay money and travel to come see him and letting them down with a stage tantrum is just shitty. So the best alternative is for him to cancel the show? Or is it for him to pretend to be happy when he is clearly not? Because either way people are not going to be happy in my opinion.
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Post by Xteenuh on Nov 12, 2007 19:49:33 GMT
Personally I'd rather him cancel the show than make an ass of himself. And if the show isn't being canceled then doesn't have the pretend to be all happy and energetic and jumping all over the place, because hell, I know you can't well do that if you're in a bad mood, but the least he could do is control himself a bit better and not kick over equipment and leave the stage.
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Post by lastgoodbye on Nov 12, 2007 20:00:05 GMT
And then afterwards when he came back out he looked as though he had been crying Now I just feel bad for him. We all know he is prone to doing shit stupid things on stage, like throwing bottles etc, but I haven't heard of him ever storming off and getting upset before. I think Victoria has a very valid point, it's a lose-lose situation. And I think Melba is right too, less speculation about why.
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Post by lazy poet on Nov 12, 2007 20:00:21 GMT
sometimes things like that just come to you suddenly i know i, and many other people, can be happy one minute and really upset the next i would rather he had a go at the show and i think it was brave of him to come back and i that's probably why he said melbourne was the best afterwards because he appreciated that most of them stayed jeez, we're all human, we all get really upset sometimes you can't expect him to lock it all up until the end of the show just because he's a performer appreciate that he didn't call off the show, he tried
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Post by Xteenuh on Nov 12, 2007 20:11:14 GMT
I know he's only human and he was obviously really upset about something, and at least he came back onto the stage later, but did any of you see this?: I believe he actually said "My Name is Tristan, And i am over this fucking shit" knocked over his keyboard and through his violin before smashing a glass (i was up the front and me and a friend were showered in glass - i was annoyed about this) Yeah, sorry, but I don't think your fans appreciate being showered in glass, Patrick. When performing, there is a level of control you have to have over yourself when you're aggravated. OH, THE DRAMA. I'm done with discussing this.
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Post by Roxy on Nov 12, 2007 20:24:53 GMT
I really don't think the lj community is more dramatic than this.
Anyway, maybe it was just planned.
Although I only think of this as a possibility because I watched Velvet Goldmine ten times this weekend...
That would really be the worst. if it was planned. so i don't actually think it was.
he's probably tired and missing relaxation.
by the way people who said he should just stop touring and relax a little, that is exactly what he is about to do.
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Post by newslang on Nov 12, 2007 20:40:51 GMT
I think this thread is headed into dangerous territory.
Let's give Patrick the benefit of the doubt that he was not actually trying to injure his fans. I have personally seen nothing but sincere appreciation for his fans from him.
I'll leave it at that.
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Post by lazy poet on Nov 12, 2007 21:04:27 GMT
I have personally seen nothing but sincere appreciation for his fans from him. I'll leave it at that. this too
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Post by Xteenuh on Nov 12, 2007 21:11:49 GMT
I think this thread is headed into dangerous territory. Let's give Patrick the benefit of the doubt that he was not actually trying to injure his fans. I have personally seen nothing but sincere appreciation for his fans from him. I'll leave it at that. I know I said I was done BUT I have one more thing: I'm sure Patrick had no intent to injure his fans and I would never accuse him of being unappreciative of them, because from what I've seen from blogs and videos and such he seems really grateful for them. It's just that this isn't the first time he's lost control and has felt the need to throw objects around the stage/near/into the crowd, including glass. And if he continues to not be able to control himself with this then someone could wind up getting hurt. Maybe he did try his very best to not loose his cool but he just lost it anyway. Shit happens. THE END (from me)
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Post by stationtostation on Nov 12, 2007 21:14:03 GMT
this is what i hatepeople do behave like that when they're completely sober and drug free heck, i behave like that occasionally, nothing is going right that day and you just want to quit it for a while and sit and think and calm down or sleep why must you decide that he is on drugs ? what a silly assumption YES IT'S BEST NOT TO SPECULATE ON THE INTERWEBZ OR ELSE WE'LL GET ANOTHER DISASTER THREAD! I agree people were upset over his performance or lack thereof, but let's keep our opinions to ourselves for the sake of everyone's dignity. The opinions of those people who were at the show don't reflect the majority of the people on this board, so if an outsider reads this we don't want them to think that everyone feels this way, eh? ;D Oh come on, you don't think someone is going to passive aggressively detere me from speak their mind just because they have a small history of coming on this forum for petty, selfish and vindictive tantrums? I don't think Jay's "Patrick's always been a petulant wanker, its just only now where noticing" is a very convincing one either to be honest. Patrick's fans clearly have his back, and as no longer the sort of person who classes himself as "fan" I have to say you all deserve a lot better. Patrick needs a hard wake up call, the fans here are generally tolerant of his antics but more casual music fans than I can count who have expressed a fondness for his music have been repelled by his current persona and conduct.
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Post by lastgoodbye on Nov 12, 2007 21:46:37 GMT
I have personally seen nothing but sincere appreciation for his fans from him. I'd like this to be true, and I don't like to drag up the past, but I beg to differ: "I wanted to give you a world at the back of your wardrobe, now im just feel a fool for bothering.... i have to take enough bullshit from other parts of the world for what I do and who I am without getting it from here." I could never consider this very appreciative, especially when his fans were just offering honest and much needed words of advice. But I know there is question over his state of mind at the time of that post blah blah blah etc etc. but still it means what you said isn't true. Thinking about it, I don't know why it matters. Partly I think I need to stop talking now and forget about it, and let this thread die. But I just wanted to point it out, anyway.
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Post by lltoastll on Nov 12, 2007 21:47:38 GMT
"To Err Is Human, To Forgive Divine"
EDIT: Unlocked.
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Post by rivenne on Nov 13, 2007 4:08:43 GMT
I nearly dropped everything to fly from New Zealand to Australia for the shows.
I know I'm going to sound like an ignorant bastard but Patrick should know he can't actually afford to have "off nights". I know touring is tough but it's not like he had no idea what he was getting himself in to.
I read about his 'appreciation of his fans' and I don't feel he's appreciated them at all. I have felt extremely let down but his irrational behavior and silly outbursts and I think it's about time someone actually told him to sort it out!
If I had one question of Mr Patrick Wolf it would be"Who do you think your fans are??"
I've been a loyal, faithful and loving fan of Patrick's work and have dealt well with knowing I might not see him live considering country issues. However, I've made some amazing friends on this very forum who have been kind enough to provide me with images and sound from shows and things I've missed out on.
Is he really forgetting about us? because I'd be totally honest in saying that it would break my heart to finally see him live for him to be having a sodding "off night".
(Sorry about the rant guys, I feel much better now.)
xxx.
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Post by lltoastll on Nov 13, 2007 4:12:07 GMT
haha Laura!
Would people have felt better if he had canceled his show instead? I was in Vancouver when he canceled his show and I think I would have preferred an off night than no show at all. That's my two cents.
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Post by rivenne on Nov 13, 2007 4:17:43 GMT
haha Laura! Would people have felt better if he had canceled his show instead? I was in Vancouver when he canceled his show and I think I would have preferred an off night than no show at all. That's my two cents. Now that you mention it, I would prefer a no show.
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