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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Sept 5, 2010 21:50:03 GMT
...a pro-colonialism allegory, right? No, not like my crackpot theory about the Lion King being a savage right wing indictment of generation x, as in it's wildy accepted as such? Josh is the name, ruining childhood memories is the game  |
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Post by helwin tins on Sept 5, 2010 21:56:52 GMT
i don't know who barbar is. my avatar is babar.
edit: also, i don't care.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Sept 5, 2010 21:59:00 GMT
Says the man with a rapist in his avatar and a scene that could be seen as glamourising suicide/mental illness in his sig..
Why did I make this a thread not a pm? Answers on a postcard to...
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Sept 5, 2010 22:04:51 GMT
shit there's an elephant advertising online IQ tests at the top of the page now.. they want some of our civilisation, man.
babar barbaaa barbara ann!
ps, sorry of this thread seemed diggy Sibz, it just amused/me blew my mind when I found out. Though I just read that actually it might have been a SATIRE on colonialism, or you know... some wild crackpot bastards have even theorised that it was just about talking elephants (!!)
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Post by helwin tins on Sept 5, 2010 22:08:41 GMT
i just... don't really care about stuff like this. even if the creater did write it to push his pro-colonialist agenda, oh well, he's dead now, it's not like he's getting any money from the sales. and it's a cute story about elephants who look after each other. and i told my sister when she was like, 7 that she runs like babar, and she won't run at all anymore hahahahaah
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Sept 5, 2010 22:13:42 GMT
I don't care in a bad way like it would stop me enjoying the stories or letting my kids do so. Just in a "this is interesting, wow.. these stories I grew up hearing actually had ths heavy hidden geo-political meaning.. far out!" way.
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Post by mimicry on Sept 5, 2010 22:33:31 GMT
It totally blew my mind when I found out about Babar. It was like, wait. What? But, talking elephants! Noooo
One of my beloved childhood things are all* the Tintin books. Even when I was little, I remember the awful racist caricatures being awful racist caricatures. (Or at the very least thinking, "Black people don't actually look like that or sound like that. This is weird.") And of course Herge went on to become pro-Nazi blah blah sadface. I can't even defend them except that they're fun adventure stories and Captain Haddock made me the whiskey drinker I am today. And the art is good. But... yeah. eesh.
*I haven't read Tintin in the Congo and I'm probably not going to.
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Post by helwin tins on Sept 5, 2010 22:51:03 GMT
what about fairytales? my friend's child's nursery wouldn't read 'three little pigs' to them because of it's racist undertones. which i thought was kinda ridiculous- i never got that message AT ALL from the stories, nor from babar (wasn't into tintin, so i don't know how i'd have responded to it being more blantent)
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Post by mimicry on Sept 5, 2010 23:50:56 GMT
Woah, I didn't even realize about Three Little Pigs. But now that I think about it, I can see why. I wouldn't tell it to kids because I think it's kind of boring. Some of my favorite books when I was small were Andrew Lang's fairy books-- Yellow Fairy Book, Red Fairy Book, etc etc. They were always more gruesome/interesting and I didn't even mind that some of the stories got repetitive. I haven't read them in a while, but there probably was a bit of racism/otherizing that slipped passed me.
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Post by helwin tins on Sept 6, 2010 0:10:37 GMT
i never really got that fairytales were metaphorical. i just enjoyed them as stories about animals and stuff. but i also wasn't THAT into them, i much preferred princess smartypants (the greatest childrens book, along with THE TIGER THAT CAME TO TEA)
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Post by victorinox on Sept 6, 2010 6:38:59 GMT
i never read tintin when i was a sprout, but seeing as i knew about two nonwhite people before i went to school (number didn't climb too significantly after), i wonder if the effect it had on me would've been different- even though my parents aren't at all racist. would i have been able to identify the caricatures as offensive and incorrect? would they have altered my future perception of black people, or had no bearing?
totally inferring that clare grew up around more black people than i did but you guys know what i mean here, i would've had no one to compare any racist stereotypes to in an attempt to determine their validity, if i'd ever come across them.
and i loved babar. my friend and i are now talking about the kingdom, and how he always figured the elephants were better than him due to the fact they were:
a) royalty
b) forever speaking in polite conversation
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Post by mimicry on Sept 6, 2010 21:26:06 GMT
Yeah, I was thinking that I was actually quite lucky to be around people who didn't look like me and had different customs than me since I was little. I probably would have absorbed all those racist stereotypes if I didn't have something to disprove them. Not going to lie but I was a stupid little kid who was a total sponge and loved repeating things... it would get my dad in trouble because he'd swear and then I'd swear etc etc.
I don't remember Babar that well, but I loved his suit. If I hadn't moved, I'd go dig up all my childhood books.
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Post by Rhiflect on Sept 7, 2010 15:37:09 GMT
THE TIGER THAT CAME TO TEA I would exalt you if I could! I had this in a book AND ON TAPE! That's dedication. Any books with food in were my favourite kids books. |
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Post by sarah on Sept 11, 2010 12:07:30 GMT
i had that and the fucking book fell apart. USELESS
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