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Post by mambo on Aug 15, 2009 23:02:25 GMT
Wow sorry for that rant i just think Patrick desreves respect because he truly is the most amazing artist and i dont want people who dont realise to say stuff and call him names.
I think Patrick should have a break from touring.
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Post by wakefromthysleep on Aug 15, 2009 23:20:49 GMT
Hello everyone - my first entry. I was there in first row and it was my first Patrick Wolf concert. It was marvellous. He impressd me. I will try to see him in Münster or Frankfurt... maybe both. AND: I applauded his tantrum because I was upset myself. 4 fucking minutes!! I freaked out but then he took his stool (much heavier than a mic or a stand) and I thought "OMG! *gasp* Dont throw it .. Oh shit!" He told us before "The Libertine" that he gave his Ukulele at one of his last shows because they didn't let him do an encore, so he gave the Uke. And what did we get? - a scene that I will never forget. It was concentrated passion.
And finally his comment on twitter:
"Wow.. laughing so hard at that footage heart attack hilton just posted. That bitter queen should have seen me in my maison crimineaux days!" about 1 hour ago from web
"Thanks to the cologne audience this week! You were amazing! your city is beautiful! this co pop festival does you no justice! Boycott it. xp" about 1 hour ago from web
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Post by wakefromthysleep on Aug 15, 2009 23:42:46 GMT
want to add something, maybe it's interesting for you Alec Empire on twitter: bit.ly/5sDN Patrick Wolf riot!Support artists not sponsors 10:33 AM Aug 14th from web funny how journalists judge Patrick Wolf now, but would freak out when their articles would be shortened and edited without their permission 1:47 PM Aug 14th from ALEC_EMPIRE (from sus_ond)@alec_EMPIRE what if the newspaper "loses" half of the pages+has to shortn yr txt. dont u deal w/ it w/out throwin typewriters round? 2:04 PM Aug 14th from web in reply to ALEC_EMPIRE @sus_ond if they can't handle their job, they should not print it at all. It's all about "how" one is treated. They were disrespectful. 2:16 PM Aug 14th from ALEC_EMPIRE in reply to sus_ond @paulosullivano journalists with passion would react like that. I have seen it. I am not saying it's right but I understand it. 2:37 PM Aug 14th from ALEC_EMPIRE in reply to paulosullivano
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Post by pelle2143 on Aug 16, 2009 1:45:56 GMT
I was there, talked with Thomas White (guitarist) and the guy behind the notebook (can't remember his name, but i think it was his boyfriend) afterwards. Thomas was joking around about it, but the other guy was totally absent-minded. He was shocked. Later, when they were taking all the equipment from the stage, he had tears in his eyes. i can only imagine the drama behind the scenes :/
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Post by Teen Wolf on Aug 16, 2009 2:08:37 GMT
secretly awesome
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 16, 2009 2:11:45 GMT
want to add something, maybe it's interestening for you Alec Empire on twitter: bit.ly/5sDN Patrick Wolf riot!Support artists not sponsors 10:33 AM Aug 14th from web funny how journalists judge Patrick Wolf now, but would freak out when their articles would be shortened and edited without their permission 1:47 PM Aug 14th from ALEC_EMPIRE (from sus_ond)@alec_EMPIRE what if the newspaper "loses" half of the pages+has to shortn yr txt. dont u deal w/ it w/out throwin typewriters round? 2:04 PM Aug 14th from web in reply to ALEC_EMPIRE @sus_ond if they can't handle their job, they should not print it at all. It's all about "how" one is treated. They were disrespectful. 2:16 PM Aug 14th from ALEC_EMPIRE in reply to sus_ond @paulosullivano journalists with passion would react like that. I have seen it. I am not saying it's right but I understand it. 2:37 PM Aug 14th from ALEC_EMPIRE in reply to paulosullivano I responded to Alec on twitter: @alec_EMPIRE the bitching isn't about him being angry at being cut short - that's understandable - it's that he was so violent. @helixnebula violent? he was emotional. People must understand how much it takes to focus ur energy for a show. and in the peak moment BANG
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 16, 2009 3:00:44 GMT
helixnebula@ALEC_EMPIRE i understand that it's upsetting, but that doesn't justify his behavior.
@helixnebula I think the whole situation can be avoided if the artist is treated with respect in the first place. And they didn't do that.
@alec_EMPIRE i agree, however he also should have been more professional. nothing gives you the right to act that way towards someone.
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 16, 2009 3:32:55 GMT
ALEC_EMPIRE@helixnebula yes maybe, but isn't that more exciting?;)rule No1: don't fuck with the Wolf, rule No2: don't be a lamb, No3: hail the rock!
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Post by cinnamondream on Aug 16, 2009 7:05:17 GMT
"Wow.. laughing so hard at that footage heart attack hilton just posted. That bitter queen should have seen me in my maison crimineaux days!" about 1 hour ago from web Hmmm....not quite sure what I make of this. I've seen the video and it's pretty bad but it's not going to make me stop liking Patrick. His behaviour was unacceptable by any standards, and I would kind of like to hear him acknowledge that. I would actually find it quite worrying if he believes that was acceptable, regardless of what his maison crimineaux days were like. It's like someone with a conviction for murder assaulting someone and saying "you should have seen me back in the day. This is nothing to worry about". Extreme example, clearly, but there is no justification for this type of behaviour. There are reasons and influences which will have led to it, but no justification.
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Post by cinnamondream on Aug 16, 2009 7:54:46 GMT
And an update from twitter: Ich bin ein Tier. Ich habe nicht vergessen, meinen Platz in der Natur im Gegensatz zu anderen Menschen. Ich bedauere mein Verhalten nicht.
Or as kindly translated by babelfish: I am an animal. I did not forget, mean place in nature contrary to other humans. I do not regret my behavior.
I think a little something has been lost in translation but hey ho.
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Post by ohmygodtea on Aug 16, 2009 8:02:27 GMT
First post but I had to since I was there in Cologne too.
The concert itself was awesome, it was my first one. During the concert he seemed rather happy so nobody would have expect something like that. First some people did think the whole thing was some bad joke because..it was just nuts to cut him off like that!
But I have to say he didn't really aim at that woman he was just really overacting. Though if he would have stayed calm it would ended perhaps otherwise. The security was rather pissed about him so I think even if he wanted to come back on stage they didn't let him.
What annoyed me even more though where the people throwing bottles and beakers on the stage. That was no use at all and some people in the front row where hit.
And another thing which annoyed me: I stayed there till 11 since we hoped that he may come back. As we finally left and walked to the Youth Hostel some other concerts were still ongoing! At a club the music was extremely loud so that whole stop the concert at 10 was nonsense!
But I will definitely will go to a concert again. Hopefully with a better organization and a opener which doesn't overrun for 20 minutes.
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Post by jadeface on Aug 16, 2009 9:01:56 GMT
If it really was about his passion for his music, he could've gone out into the street with a ukulele and a big voice and played something really beautiful to the crowd, if it meant THAT much to him. But, whatev.
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Post by Miyamashi on Aug 16, 2009 9:33:58 GMT
No, I don't agree with his reaction. Yes, I do think he overreacted. However:
1.) Most people on this forum do not know Patrick personally. While we can judge a single act, do not use it to judge him as a human being, as performance and interviews and the like can only give us a limited perspective on what he is like as a person. 2.) This forum is for discussing, above all, his music. 3.) We can't know full circumstances behind this. While it may be true that there is "no excuse" for this kind of violent behaviour, we also have to remember that travelling, performing, and doing interviews are still work, and they are stressful, and there's an adrenaline rush that comes from being onstage. I consider myself a very patient person, but I don't think myself above snapping if I am put under the right amount of stress. I think it's very rare to find a human who wouldn't, and I may even go so far as to say there isn't one. We can't know the stress Patrick is under offstage, as well. (I think this is what he was talking about when he said the thing on Twitter about being an animal. An animal is cornered, and it retaliates.)
I'm not condoning the act, but neither am I going to lose respect for Patrick because of it. From what I have seen of him personally (and from meeting him briefly), he seems to be generally very respectful of the people who are respectful toward him. But, from what I have seen of him in the past, he is also prone to stress. He's also been faced by a lot of violent people in his past, and a lot of people judging him and hurting him without knowing him. Remember the last time he had an outburst like this. He was very upset at being judged, and I think with good reason. I feel a lot of sympathy for him, in the fact that he is under the public scrutiny. It's the curse of popularity. You make a bad move, and the backlash is FAR worse than if you're not a celeb. I think that has to be a stress in itself, the feeling of your every move in public being scrutinised.
As I said, I don't condone the act, but I think we need to remain objective about it (although it could be argued that I am biased in his favour, as I do respect him a great deal). Leave it to the people who know him personally to punish him, if it's what he deserves.
All I can say is I do hope nobody was hurt.
[EDIT: Okay, I'm going to be a hypocrite, and discuss possibilities surrounding personal life that people may not have thought of.
There is one thing I thought of after reading through these posts that had sort of come to my mind when I wrote it, but which I am really considering and expanding on now. Patrick had many, many bad experiences in life. Patrick seems to freak most when he's in a stress situation, which is very consistent with post-traumatic-stress disorder. Some people have been thinking of bipolar, but given his circumstances (remember people, he's only 26, and not very far out of teenage rape, school-age abuse, living on the streets, almost losing his job and his passion via Universal, having a traumatic event in LA, losing a friend to suicide, etc), the boy has had a very, very rough life. He's normally very optimistic, but wow. I actually give him kudos for being as perky as he is and persevering despite many of these things. To be honest, after some of the things he'd gone through, I'd be surprised if he hadn't suffered some psychological trauma.
His behaviour more worries me than it does repulse me. He's someone I respect, and who inspires me greatly, and I'd hate to see him succumb to his own dark side. We all know it's there, and he doesn't make it hidden. The Bachelor speaks out about his darker times. All of the things I've listed are things that Patrick has made very public. It may even be a cry for help. He's also probably very, very scared right now, because I'm positive he knows he did wrong. He's very clever, and even though I don't know him personally, I don't think he's a bad person. I hope he can find solace, and if the need be, get help.]
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Post by irrelevant on Aug 16, 2009 10:12:55 GMT
All I can say is I do hope nobody was hurt. yes, but can he? i know you brought up the fact that we're oblivious to many things behind the scenes, but he's had over two days and he hasn't publicly said anything remotely apologetic, in fact exactly the opposite by reveling in his behavior. he's left that question up in the air, disgracefully, and it tells me that bad publicity, rather than sincere remorse, would ever draw that answer out of him.
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Post by Miyamashi on Aug 16, 2009 10:53:55 GMT
More than anything, I'm slightly repulsed at how quickly people were to judge him. Yes, what he did put people in danger, and yes, it was wrong. But at the same time, there are a lot of people making very quick judgments based on very little information. I just want people to stop and think. Why would someone who normally comes across as very happy--who even seemed in a good mood up until that moment--snap and suddenly become violent? His latest reaction on Twitter said he didn't regret, yes. And maybe I'm naive and overly optimistic in defending him and still thinking "He seems like too good a person to do something like this without reason", but put yourselves in his shoes. Experience a life of hardships, and say you won't slip up occasionally. This is someone who has faced misinformed judgement since childhood, and who is probably absolutely terrified of facing that again. And now, he's getting exactly that, and on a much, much bigger scale than he ever did when he was the "weird kid" in school (worldwide, past his friends and family, past even those who were there at the event). Yes, he made a mistake, yes he put people in danger, and no, he hasn't apologised yet, but *sighs*. I just...it doesn't feel right to me--it seems out of character--and I normally have a good sense about these things.
I'm sorry if I'm not very coherent. It's 6 AM and I haven't slept.
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Post by shannon on Aug 16, 2009 11:00:25 GMT
i wish i hadn't watched this. i was literally gawping towards the end. i understand what some people have said about feeling kind of ashamed. and i guess i'm kind of annoyed, cause the way i see it, as fans, we've invested a lot of support in patrick, especially over the past few months, and when something like this happens, and it's all in the media, it kind of reflects badly on us. especially when there's so many people on that perez website and places being all "YEAH RIGHTEOUS YOU HURL THAT STOOL!", and it's fifty times worse cause he hasn't apologised, like irrelevant said. i don't know, i guess i just mean that as a huge patrick fan, i don't like being associated with behaviour like that. but then again, i also agree that we don't know what other problems are going on there, and although that doesn't justify this, it's not patrick's fault if people on the internet are going to defend it so fiercely. i'm just disappointed.
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Post by papilioulysses on Aug 16, 2009 11:01:37 GMT
blablabla...
blow it up till it bursts!
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Post by jadeface on Aug 16, 2009 12:37:00 GMT
More than anything, I'm slightly repulsed at how quickly people were to judge him. So it's okay for people to say 'OMG PATRICK I LOVE YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THAT' but it's not okay for people to find it bad, unacceptable behaviour? (not attacking you) Both ways are 'judgements' of his behaviour. I don't think he's a bad person, but I think things have gone to his head a bit and maybe he needs to have a little rethink. Yes, I'm basing that on that video, but to be honest, I think that's enough.
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Post by verocs on Aug 16, 2009 12:47:49 GMT
i dont think anyone judged him as an artist or said he is a bad person. or thinks that he had no reason to be upset and that the organisers are not to blame. under stress everyone can snap and he was frustrated and that is understandable. the organisers did not treat him with respect. his methods of dealing with it is what I have a problem with and that he thinks it was right to act that way therefore next time he might do it again.
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Post by papilioulysses on Aug 16, 2009 12:47:53 GMT
"[...] if he had hit somebody of us, he probably would have been beaten up behind the stage. best regards, one of the technicians"
'nuff said.
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