Suggestion regarding YOUR FACE

[blake]

I thought I'd make this an new thread because a lot of the fall out from my moody rant yesterday and the rewrite the rule book seems to be pointing to a conclusion and if you well lead my your ears I'd like to make a humble suggestion.

While as is apparent I find the barrage of inanity annoying, I would also hate to see things go to the other extreme and have this place become some sort of fascist state where people are beaten with sticks for going off topic. Lets face it as much as anyone else talking bollocks is part of what makes any forum fun, warm and community like. It's not so much that, thats happening that was bothering me, more that thats pretty much ALL thats been happening and that it's been drawning other discussion thanks to the sheer volume of this stuff.

What I'm hear a lot is that, The Forum Forum and Common Room are being misused, thats pretty understandable as The Forum Forum is an in-joke in itself. What I think would be preferable is to have two (3 actually when you consider the other artists forum) different new forums.

*The banter forum, sort of a cross between the forum forum and the lighter side of the Common Room the place for utter free form unmoderated talk.

*The discussion forum. A more moderated forum where people are asked to keep on topic and to post about things that will be of wider interest.


I'm sure the witty wordsmith that is Mr Bush could think of better snappier names for them than my rather poor efforts but the point is.

I don't want people who I'm interested in talking to being driven away from the forum cos of inane stuff and a lack of interesting things to reply to.

I don't want anyone else to be boxed in by overly strict moderation or made to feel uncomfortable just because the stuff they post might not be my cup of tea.

Basically what I'm saying is this board has the room to be everything every member of the forum wants it to be, it might just need a little tweeking. Two carefully labeled forums running side by side, would allow the Cats Marcos posting LOLZ bandit posts and my moody fuckers can exist for anyone who wants to read them and be easily avoidable for anyone who doesn't.


What da ya'all think?

P.S I PROMISE this is the last long winded topic I make on forum politics!

[arielle]

Josh, I like you when you're a "moody fucker". It's comforting in a perverse sort of way.
It's a good idea, what you're saying. I've seen forums go to waste because they go to one extreme or the other.
Myself, I almost enjoy dictatorship. Discussion and banter, but at the same time, I don't want any kind of "great divide".

[blake]

Yeah what I'm saying is the forum is heading towards one extreme now, I don't think the answer is to go to the other extreme. Take the middle path!

It would be so easy to accommodate everyone. I reckon I'd post in both forums quite a lot. It's not about causing a divide.

[Xteenuh]

I like your ideas, but then if the Banter Forum and Discussion Forum both get created, then what are the Common Room and Forum Forum for? I don't know, it's kind of just like, re-naming them.

And I like that this would make everyone happy, but then, as Testcard Girl says, I wouldn't want a "great divide" to occur either. It would be a bit weird if one group of people went off to one forum and the other went off to the other, ya know wha'm sayin'?

[fabbit]

Yes, I think this is a good idea.
It would accomodate pretty much everybody.

Although, isn't the common room really meant to be a banter forum? It DOES say "polite chit-chat."
It would be important to have the more large discussions, and the ramblings divided up though.

[lastgoodbye]

Adding extra sub-forums would cause even more confusion about where thread's are supposed to go than there is at the moment. The thread's in the Common Room which should be in the Forum Forum should be moved here first, and then if that doesn't sort out the problem we should go on and try something else.



Also Josh - it's not overly important - but most people (certainly me) have the ability to be both 'Cats Marcos posting LOLZ bandits' and 'moody fuckers', depending on what mood they are in. I don't think it's a clean-cut divide.

[Edit: This has pretty much already been said. Oh well.]

[blake]

gypsyqueen said:

I like your ideas, but then if the Banter Forum and Discussion Forum both get created, then what are the Common Room and Forum Forum for? I don't know, it's kind of just like, re-naming them.

And I like that this would make everyone happy, but then, as Testcard Girl says, I wouldn't want a "great divide" to occur either. It would be a bit weird if one group of people went off to one forum and the other went off to the other, ya know wha'm sayin'?

1) It's more like a "renaming" of the existing forums I'm suggesting rather than reinvention. The "common room" is labeled as a place to discuss anything, the forum forum is labeled as a place for injokes, I think it's not very clear to a lot of people what each fourm is for.

2) The divide just won't happen. I'm coming across as the poster boy for "serious sensible discussion" here come on! I talk more bollocks that half the people on here. I'd HATE to have to "stay on topic blah blah all the time" I'm just saying it would be good to have the option to keep more focused threads, on topic and for them not to get buried under loads of random stuff.

[Xteenuh]

blake said:

gypsyqueen said:

I like your ideas, but then if the Banter Forum and Discussion Forum both get created, then what are the Common Room and Forum Forum for? I don't know, it's kind of just like, re-naming them.

And I like that this would make everyone happy, but then, as Testcard Girl says, I wouldn't want a "great divide" to occur either. It would be a bit weird if one group of people went off to one forum and the other went off to the other, ya know wha'm sayin'?

1) It's more like a "renaming" of the existing forums I'm suggesting rather than reinvention. The "common room" is labeled as a place to discuss anything, the forum forum is labeled as a place for injokes, I think it's not very clear to a lot of people what each fourm is for.

2) The divide just won't happen. I'm coming across as the poster boy for "serious sensible discussion" here come on! I talk more bollocks that half the people on here. I'd HATE to have to "stay on topic blah blah all the time" I'm just saying it would be good to have the option to keep more focused threads, on topic and for them not to get buried under loads of random stuff.

Ahh I see, that is much more clear. I know what you're saying now, and I agree, a more proper re-naming of these threads would be nice. With a stickied thread of the rules for each at the top. Then, with a little moving around of some threads, I think all will be very well. And that option would be more clear for forum members.

[blake]

lastgoodbye said:

Also Josh - it's not overly important - but most people (certainly me) have the ability to be both 'Cats Marcos posting LOLZ bandits' and 'moody fuckers', depending on what mood they are in. I don't think it's a clean-cut divide

If your going to take issue with something in my posts, please don't let it be something as obviously flippant as that. I was posting up two ridiculous caricatures of different types of posting to lighten the mood of my thread.

Other people have said, I've said. People post about different things in different moods, especially me. Maybe it's clumbsy wording in my original thread thats caused the idea of a divide. But two forums does not indicate two tribes.

[yojimbo]

The next time I've got a suggestion I’m going to make my own thread about it.

[blake]

yojimbo said:

The next time I've got a suggestion I’m going to make my own thread about it.

Yeah I'm sorry, I'm a saddo. But I do care about this forum, I've met amazing people on here, including yourself Thomas, so it makes sense that I do.

It frustrates me that in my mind it would be easy to sort things, but I'm not sure how to put it in a non long winded fashion.

I'm trying to be helpful, so leave the bitching yeah?

[lastgoodbye]

blake said:

lastgoodbye said:

Also Josh - it's not overly important - but most people (certainly me) have the ability to be both 'Cats Marcos posting LOLZ bandits' and 'moody fuckers', depending on what mood they are in. I don't think it's a clean-cut divide

If your going to take issue with something in my posts, please don't let it be something as obviously flippant as that. I was posting up two ridiculous caricatures of different types of posting to lighten the mood of my thread.

Other people have said, I've said. People post about different things in different moods, especially me. Maybe it's clumbsy wording in my original thread thats caused the idea of a divide. But two forums does not indicate two tribes.

Whoah, I was quoting you light-heartedly. I got that you were just joking about when you described it in that way, otherwise I wouldn’t have done it.

I don't have an issue at all, I was just highlighting that it's not so much divided into two types of people, it's more two types of posts. That's all. You don't need to get all on the defensive - I don't have a problem with you.

[blake]

I knew you where being light hearted to a degree lastgoodbye, but you were still making a actual point. Which I wasn't at all. It's was purely a joke.

I hate the whole, "person jokes" "other person misses that it's a joke" "person points out it was a joke" "other person says hey! I was joking to" thing you get so much on the internetzz.

[lastgoodbye]

I wasn't really making a serious point, just a quick one, which is why I said “it's not overly important“. But it doesn't really matter. I too hate when online misunderstandings happen. Consider it forgotten.

[resurrectart]

Emoticons work wonders for that stuff.

[tesla]

Emoticons should be culled and terminated.

[resurrectart]

Oh? Why is that?

[blake]

resurrectart said:

Emoticons work wonders for that stuff.

I don't need emoticons to work out when someone is being ironic or flippant, or to know when someone is using flippancy or irony to make a point or just purely making a joke.

But thats just me.

[tesla]

I'm not going to talk about my obsession with the extinction of emoticons in Josh's thread.. :b I just don't like them.

*The discussion forum. A more moderated forum where people are asked to keep on topic and to post about things that will be of wider interest.

Would it be simpler if someone were to start a thread, in say, the Common Room and specify that they'd like you to stay on topic, in their post?

[blake]

tesla said:

*The discussion forum. A more moderated forum where people are asked to keep on topic and to post about things that will be of wider interest.

Would it be simpler if someone were to start a thread, in say, the Common Room and specify that they'd like you to stay on topic, in their post?

The problem for me is not so much that topics go off topic though it is pretty annoying. But that the Common Room gets congested with a certain kind of posts and threads that it buries other sorts of discussion and dominates the place.