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Post by blake on Jun 29, 2007 21:36:53 GMT
Does Richard Branson still own the Virgin music stores? I know he doesn't have anything to do with Virgin the record company anymore for example. He sells off a lot of his companies and they keep the "Virgin" brand name.
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Post by hark on Jun 29, 2007 21:38:35 GMT
Don't need no stinking downloads. There is amazon. Vinyl sales are going up, as are CD sales (from what I recall). EDIT: ACTUALLY, CD sales are probably dropping, I'm trying to find the news article which read that on average, a person in the UK buys 2 albums a year. PLEASE factor in all the old people and non-music fans, and you will see that's an alright number
Downloads are shit for the following reasons: 1. They are no fun, 2. You do not get anything material. CDs aren't great, but at least they have covers and something you could cherish, 3. they are ridiculously disposable, 4. they take away from the concept of an album, 5. they come in a really low quality. I wouldnt wipe my arse with 128 kbps, and 6. they are generally bad value for money.
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Post by oldgregg on Jun 29, 2007 21:41:51 GMT
Does Richard Branson still own the Virgin music stores? I know he doesn't have anything to do with Virgin the record company anymore for example. He sells off a lot of his companies and they keep the "Virgin" brand name. Really? Well, I suppose they still have all the business and clients (in case of the record company) they had when he was in control. It would surely take a monumental fuck up to ruin the music side of things. Or a massive loss of profits or something. I can't imagine record shops vanishing forever though. There are still loads of people who like to own CDs as proof they own the music and support the artist.
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Post by blake on Jun 29, 2007 21:42:12 GMT
I think eventually, the majority of music will be sold digitally with a few small retailers and online ordering catering for the older generation who still want physical releases.
The casual music fan and the more serious music lover are very different sorts of consumers remember and the latter group out numbers the former by quite a majority, so in the end they will shape the future of the music business.
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Post by oldgregg on Jun 29, 2007 21:44:04 GMT
4. they take away from the concept of an album, I don't really agree with this if you download the whole album. Surely the "concept" of an album is to listen from start to finish uninterrupted to gain the full experience of how the songs blend together, and this isn't ruined by downloads of full albums. You still get the experience of all the songs, just not the CD.
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Post by blake on Jun 29, 2007 21:49:16 GMT
I think sometimes it's good to cherry pick albums, especially albums like He Poos Clouds by Final Fantasy that start with 3 great songs, then go on to be pretentious and boring.
Oooppss.
Can of worms?
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Post by Clare on Jun 29, 2007 21:50:58 GMT
This all makes me very sad and encourages me to quicken the pace of my collecting dusty old vinyls from junk shops just for banter. Also, Laura: yeah, I did see it! I was well worried that we'd be left without Avalanche. It's the only place I can find HOTBox CDs without going online.
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Post by hark on Jun 29, 2007 21:56:24 GMT
4. they take away from the concept of an album, I don't really agree with this if you download the whole album. Surely the "concept" of an album is to listen from start to finish uninterrupted to gain the full experience of how the songs blend together, and this isn't ruined by downloads of full albums. You still get the experience of all the songs, just not the CD. Yes, but not everyone does that. So many people just download 'the songs they like' and basically disregard any segueways or growers. For example: iPod shuffles, the "Download this!" section you get in most music magazines etc. For a lot of 'proper' music fans (I hate that phrase, but I can't think of anything better) listening to a whole album is important in getting the context, but on a wider scale I think you'll find that people would rather just get the singles or whatever they're reccomended or liked best when they downloaded it off limewire. I think selling individual tracks is bullshit (outside of a single format, I mean) and if I were a musician, I would make my music unavailable on download. ps. Josh: 'Arctic Circle' and 'I'm Afraid of Japan' suck but the rest of the album is pure gold. How can you not love 'Song Song Song'? Blatantly the album highlight. But that's off topic.
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Post by oldgregg on Jun 29, 2007 22:00:54 GMT
I don't really agree with this if you download the whole album. Surely the "concept" of an album is to listen from start to finish uninterrupted to gain the full experience of how the songs blend together, and this isn't ruined by downloads of full albums. You still get the experience of all the songs, just not the CD. Yes, but not everyone does that. So many people just download 'the songs they like' and basically disregard any segueways or growers. For example: iPod shuffles, the "Download this!" section you get in most music magazines etc. For a lot of 'proper' music fans (I hate that phrase, but I can't think of anything better) listening to a whole album is important in getting the context, but on a wider scale I think you'll find that people would rather just get the singles or whatever they're reccomended or liked best when they downloaded it off limewire. I think selling individual tracks is bullshit (outside of a single format, I mean) and if I were a musician, I would make my music unavailable on download. ps. Josh: 'Arctic Circle' and 'I'm Afraid of Japan' suck but the rest of the album is pure gold. How can you not love 'Song Song Song'? Blatantly the album highlight. But that's off topic. But surely in that case the only people who lose out are the ones who don't download the full album? Because they're missing out on further excellent music by the artist in question. And the artist doesn't lose anything because those people would have only bought the single in CD format anyway if that's all they wanted. But you are certainly right about Song Song Song, the best Final Fantasy song, in my opinion.
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Post by Rebekah on Jun 29, 2007 22:01:16 GMT
Do you really think there's such a thing as "unavailable to download"??
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Post by hark on Jun 29, 2007 22:26:53 GMT
Legal download, obviously.
You don't have to put your music on itunes or whatnot if you don't want to.
oldgregg: Yes, but since quite a large amount of people do this, it could lead to the death of the album. That's pretty extreme though, so who knows?
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Post by Elderberry Fucking Fanta on Jun 29, 2007 22:38:11 GMT
I like owning music physically. Downloading is just a means of getting to know the music and waiting to afford getting the real thing.
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Post by Rebekah on Jun 29, 2007 22:44:35 GMT
I like owning music physically. Downloading is just a means of getting to know the music and waiting to afford getting the real thing. That is exactly how I feel. If I love the music enough, and I've got the money, I'm more than happy to buy CDs. Unfortunately, this does not happen often enough. :-\ Well, the money part.
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