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Post by Clare on Jun 28, 2007 21:23:42 GMT
Well, I will possibly share my conclusion piece, if I'm happy with it. I'll see when I'm a smidgeon closer to the end.
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Post by sarah on Jun 28, 2007 21:25:20 GMT
being a woman means you get back to the FUCKING fdfghjkKITCHEn, NOW :/
nah, soz
i wish i could help you, it sounds like it could be verygood indeed O:
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Post by allison on Jun 28, 2007 21:28:25 GMT
when i read this i immediatly thought of diane arbus as a woman artist.
but i have no idea what it means to be a woman. i've never really thought of myself as being all that different from men. i mostly simply identify myself as a human... until i go outside and interact with boys/girls.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Jun 28, 2007 21:28:37 GMT
oh this is a huge subject to tackle! i suppose a brainstorm is the obvious place to start. maybe just pick a group of contrasting words to do with being famale, brainstorm ideas around them and erm....study pieces by tracey emin and georgia o' keefe. does anyone remember the sculpture by the disabled artist of herself pregnant? I can't remember who it was by but it was reasonably recent (year or two maybe?) and could say a lot about womanhood. sorry, that wasn't particularly valid/useful i've just come out of art mode i'm afraid
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Post by Clare on Jun 28, 2007 21:30:16 GMT
Tracey Emin gives me brainache; but Georgia O'Keefe is blates my soul sista.
I'll keep those ideas in mind, Liz.
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Post by abolishconfusion on Jun 28, 2007 21:42:41 GMT
I think it helps to know how to draw the human form, because pretty much everything humankind has made is scaled to the human body in some way, at least subconciously. As for the topic at hand? I kind of agree in that to be a woman is to be "oppressed by the patriarchy" but it is far more complicated than just a simple phrase. Women have been treated as second-class citizens for a good deal of recorded history, and it's hard to forget or gloss over that entirety. Even the feminist movent(s) are tied into this weight of history as a reaction to it. If the worldview is defined by men, they tend to classify woman as "Other". Make any sense? But I really have no clue, despite identifying as female myself. Also, the subject of women in art/women artists is a rather sticky one itself. There's a Guerrilla Girls poster called The Advantages of Being a Woman Artist and there's one line of it that always has stuck to me. "Being reassured that whatever kind of art you make it will be labeled feminine." I've noticed that whenever a woman makes some kind of art, people automatically start trying to relate to it in terms of her gender. Is it a comment on patriarchy? Is it a critique of feminism? One example would be Lisa Yuskavage, who beautifully paints these women in various states of undress. She's gotten praise for it, because wow she sure it showing those men what for! She's been lambasted because of it, because she's only giving those men what they want! My art history professor saw her talk, and she spent most of it talking about the various techniques of painting and lots of in-depth analysis of color theory. She said that she didn't really want to talk about "the woman thing" (her words). Is she a feminist? Is she not? Does it matter? Sorry for the tangent. Good luck, Clare, you've got your work cut out for you. Edit: And making sandwiches, fetching small objects, etc etc. I love that poster so much. It's all so true. They have a t-shirt of it at the tate modern which I NEED.
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Post by mimicry on Jun 28, 2007 21:45:02 GMT
I really admire the Guerrilla Girls! They're one of my inspirations to follow my dream and be a kickass artist.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Jun 28, 2007 21:46:03 GMT
Tracey Emin gives me brainache; but Georgia O'Keefe is blates my soul sista. I'll keep those ideas in mind, Liz. I really like Tracey Emin! ....that is all sorry :/
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Post by mimicry on Jun 28, 2007 21:48:46 GMT
Can this thread turn into a Lets Chat About Art thread around page five or so? Or should I make a new one?
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Post by bluearrangements on Jun 28, 2007 21:50:14 GMT
being a woman is fantastic. in our culture at least. It means so many things Sometimes it means this Women are beautiful creatures, ALL of them. In my mind, women are far more attractive than men. Just my body doesn't agree. hah We are, or at least I feel that I, and the majority of my female friends, are more compassionate, more sensitive and more intuitive than most men I know. Actually, I tend to be attracted to men who have these feminine traits. Eurgh arrogance. Of course there are a lot of women who aren't like that though, but it seems to be much more common. Then there's another part of me that sometimes rejects all of that. In the back of my mind, doing things like settling down, having children, fitting into that typical woman's role in society, feels like submitting to society's expectations...like I've failed as an individual. Whenever I look at a baby and think 'awwwh' I actually tell myself to not be so stupid. At age 15 or so I went through a massive riot grrl phase. I still occasionally wear doc martins with flowery dresses :{P I guess women have always been sex objects, more so than men. And while it usually induces me with feelings of hatred (of men, the women who exploit themselves and myself), on the rare occasions when I do feel good about myself it can be quite empowering. ^^^^^naughty lady Reading that back through, it makes little sense. Which I suppose is my point. Being a woman is not what it used to be, we're so confused and it's fun that way. Oh, and I would never cut off my hair. That's almost my favourite thing about being a woman. Hair flicking. Yay
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Post by bluearrangements on Jun 28, 2007 21:51:25 GMT
ah BIG pictures BIG pretty but fairly irrelevant pictures
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Post by Taxidermy on Jun 28, 2007 21:52:57 GMT
ah BIG pictures BIG pretty but fairly irrelevant pictures You are apparently stealing from Geekroar.com
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Post by Rebekah on Jun 28, 2007 21:56:10 GMT
Ahahaha, oh, I love the bandwidth stealing image. That's great.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Jun 28, 2007 21:56:33 GMT
but then maybe part of beign a woman is making yourself a sex object? well no, i spoke wrong. not a sex object. but making yourself desirable, for that is the reason for the conventional use of make up but then there's far mroe to femininity than being desirable. i suppose "what it means to be a woman" would be a lot easier if we went back in time, a snow there's so much conflict and political correctness that it's almost impossible to define.
edit: and not all women use make up anwyay
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Post by yojimbo on Jun 28, 2007 21:56:49 GMT
I don't know what a woman is, these days we're allowed to define anything in any way we want. It damn pisses me off. It's easier to describe anything with female organs as a woman and leave it at that, but nooo ¬_¬
Are you applying to Glasgow school of Art? (For some reason i think you're Scottish) If you are then i advise running away. I fucking loathe that place (but not the building, that's gorgeous).
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Post by bluearrangements on Jun 28, 2007 21:57:03 GMT
I can't see the image! I just have Bettie Page!
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Jun 28, 2007 22:15:45 GMT
I agree with what you're saying, Hannah. I feel the same way...
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Post by Petra on Jun 28, 2007 23:34:24 GMT
Being awoman is getting everyting you want just by a single wnk directed at a man.
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Jun 28, 2007 23:36:04 GMT
This may come out as a curse. I'm sorry I have to say this, but I have to get it out:
I... don't like boobs. I want to bind mine.
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Post by bluearrangements on Jun 28, 2007 23:44:38 GMT
No no no no! Boobs are awesome!
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