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Post by 0-0 on Jun 4, 2007 22:13:12 GMT
Give opinions. Yay or nay.
This is to merely not clog up another thread, and also widen the arguments...
I, personally, despise The Catcher in the Rye, however, Josh thinks it's great, and likes Holden Caulfield.
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Post by blake on Jun 4, 2007 22:16:55 GMT
I don't care how obvious or cliche it is, but The Catcher in the Rye reeks of pure unadulterated awesome. I really do love it probably partly cos one of the first girls I ever had a thing for told me I was like Holden Caulfield and I should read it when I was 16. But it's a book I go back to time and time again. It's also horribly cliched to say you relate to Holden since he's probably the most related to character in all of literature, but god I do!
Most of the things he thinks in the book I've thought before. What I love about it most is his random digressions and the way he puts on silly acts around certain people entirely for his own amusement. I found him entirely likable myself and utterly Josh-like.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Jun 4, 2007 22:24:29 GMT
this isn;t about catcher in the rye but sometimes in to the lighthouse i find it quite odd that the thigns mrs ramsay thinks are exactly the same as thigns i've thought.
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Jun 4, 2007 22:37:17 GMT
this isn;t about catcher in the rye but sometimes in to the lighthouse i find it quite odd that the thigns mrs ramsay thinks are exactly the same as thigns i've thought. I don't know what you're talking about. Anyway, I loved Catcher in the Rye. Salinger accurately captures the point of view of a self-worshipping teenage boy. To the Lighthouse is completely different from The Catcher in the Rye, and I have no idea what it has to do with that book unless you're just mentioning it because Patrick wrote a song about it. To the Lighthouse is a stream of consciousness, film-like work of literary art. TCItR is an adventure. Ooh, and now that I know where this argument is coming from, the whole point of the story is that Holden is fake. But the reader commiserates with him because he is naive, and because he is immensely interesting.
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Post by blake on Jun 4, 2007 22:48:19 GMT
this isn;t about catcher in the rye but sometimes in to the lighthouse i find it quite odd that the thigns mrs ramsay thinks are exactly the same as thigns i've thought. I don't know what you're talking about. Anyway, I loved Catcher in the Rye. Salinger accurately captures the point of view of a self-worshipping teenage boy. To the Lighthouse is completely different from The Catcher in the Rye, and I have no idea what it has to do with that book unless you're just mentioning it because Patrick wrote a song about it. To the Lighthouse is a stream of consciousness, film-like work of literary art. TCItR is an adventure. Ooh, and now that I know where this argument is coming from, the whole point of the story is that Holden is fake. But the reader commiserates with him because he is naive, and because he is immensely interesting. She was clearly mentioning it because I talked about how Holdens thoughts correspond with mine, and she has had the same experience with another book. Liz wasn't linking the two books. You deserve a smite for that snottiness, shame I've already used my karma point for this hour. I don't think Holden is a fake, he's just surrounded by absurd people and situations and the only way he has to deal with it is to play silly games with people and put on acts. He's just reacting in a ridiculous fashion to to a ridiculous world. Billy Liar is another good example of the same thing.
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Post by 0-0 on Jun 4, 2007 22:48:35 GMT
this isn;t about catcher in the rye but sometimes in to the lighthouse i find it quite odd that the things mrs ramsay thinks are exactly the same as thigns i've thought. I don't know what you're talking about. She's saying she felt an echo of Josh's empathy for Holden, except with Mrs. Ramsay. this isn;t about catcher in the rye but sometimes in to the lighthouse i find it quite odd that the thigns mrs ramsay thinks are exactly the same as thigns i've thought. you're just mentioning it because Patrick wrote a song about it. To the Lighthouse is a stream of consciousness, film-like work of literary art. How rude. That is really rather undignified of you, stranger. How DARE you insult such an intelligent, lovely, genuine girl?! Shame on you! Salinger accurately captures the point of view of a self-worshipping teenage boy. So, Josh....you were proud to be a self-worshipping human boy, eh? Ooh, and now that I know where this argument is coming from, the whole point of the story is that Holden is fake. But the reader commiserates with him because he is naive, and because he is immensely interesting. He is NOT immensely interesting. I find it a waste of time to read a book about a very unpleasant character slagging off other unpleasant characters. There's hardly any plot in that. It's all just lies and deceit, the whole book through. That's hardly a story is it? It's just something you'd find on any street with any boy. Maybe that was its appeal, but I was bored. I wasted an entire hour of my life reading that drivel. I want it back!
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Jun 4, 2007 22:56:21 GMT
I don't know what you're talking about. She's saying she felt an echo of Josh's empathy for Holden, except with Mrs. Ramsay. How rude. That is really rather undignified of you, stranger. How DARE you insult such an intelligent, lovely, genuine girl?! Shame on you! So, Josh....you were proud to be a self-worshipping human boy, eh? Ooh, and now that I know where this argument is coming from, the whole point of the story is that Holden is fake. But the reader commiserates with him because he is naive, and because he is immensely interesting. He is NOT immensely interesting. I find it a waste of time to read a book about a very unpleasant character slagging off other unpleasant characters. There's hardly any plot in that. It's all just lies and deceit, the whole book through. That's hardly a story is it? It's just something you'd find on any street with any boy. Maybe that was its appeal, but I was bored. I wasted an entire hour of my life reading that drivel. I want it back! I wasn't around for the beginning of the conversation, and I wasn't intending to put anyone down. I just did so many papers on To the Lighthouse that I feel it cannot be compared to TCiR. I didn't know they had been linked in a previous thread.
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Post by blake on Jun 4, 2007 22:57:19 GMT
No one was linking the two books, at any point.
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Post by 0-0 on Jun 4, 2007 22:57:37 GMT
No. They weren't. All the linking was done within this thread.
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Jun 4, 2007 22:59:54 GMT
Hmmm. Pardon me then. ha
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Jun 4, 2007 23:00:48 GMT
Anyhow, I'm interested to know what mynameisliz finds similar to Mr. Ramsay. TO THE TO THE LIGHTHOUSE THREAD!
I apologize for being snarky. I'm just really pissed off because I got a cavity filled and I can't eat and my face hurts and I'm pissed off.
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Post by Lauren on Jun 5, 2007 0:39:14 GMT
Some people give me very strange looks when I tell them that I don't like Catcher in the Rye.
I find it strange that they view it as their bible, or something like that.
Sorry Holden, I don't really like you.
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Post by admin on Jun 5, 2007 8:53:55 GMT
I think The Catcher in the Rye is like anything which attains the kind of cult status that it has; there are a lot of people who will blindly defend it, despite it's faults; equally, there are as many people who will deride it just because it's popular, often - as is so usually the case with these things - without really engaging with the text, or going into it with the intention of hating it. There are parts of it that I found affecting - the 'catcher in the rye' speech, and Holden's relationship with his sister - and there are parts of it I found affected; it's neither good nor bad, it's just blah. (I've been doing an English degree for three years ) Cheerio, Michael. xxx
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Jun 5, 2007 11:54:37 GMT
Some people give me very strange looks when I tell them that I don't like Catcher in the Rye. I find it strange that they view it as their bible, or something like that. Sorry Holden, I don't really like you. Yeah, it totally doesn't suffice to be someone's "bible" or way of life. Living like Holden isn't really living.
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Post by idrinkmascara on Jun 5, 2007 11:54:59 GMT
Neigh. Some people in my class were "deeply moved", but I just didn't get it. It was insightful, yeah, but I feel that it is greatly overrated. Maybe I missed something.
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Jun 5, 2007 12:18:53 GMT
Well, I played a song for my class about it that was pretty moving.
It was The Engine Driver by the Decemberists. I changed the lyrics to "I am Holden Caulfield, and I'm running, and I'm running." Haha.
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Post by Elderberry Fucking Fanta on Jun 6, 2007 9:08:23 GMT
I quite like Catcher in the Rye. Period.
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Post by lltoastll on Jun 6, 2007 13:28:32 GMT
I want to be caught.
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