new interview and firing his drummer

[thechildcatcher]

pretext: I concur with the above and disagree wholeheartedly that he has failed, especially with his role in my world.


I find you have to be a superficial idiot to survive in the public eye. Evidently, Patrick ISN'T.

I can't think of anything better than him quitting if he's under so much pain from the demands that I as a fan don't want to put on him!

I can't help but feel guilty as a member of a species that crushes one of their own, just for having big plans and believing in us, and ashamed to be of a society that could call him naive for expecting more.

I hope so hard that he doesn't become bitter, it's easy to hate the world, but there are good people, many of them on this board.

He's talked to us all as a collective, and I just want to reply, and tell him it's alright, and that there are people that will respect what he can do with sounds and words and souls, (I don't mean to suggest that anyone here Isn't thus). I doubt I'll get a chance here, but you never know.

I think cutting concerts is a great idea, i don't know if it will be forever, but an intensive tour is not right for him, as he said... especially not at the moment.

He obviously has allot more to say, it might be allot angrier this time, but he'll keep growing... he's not dead yet.

I FEAR the bitterness he could have for the generalized public.

Post text: Regarding the video! I can't think of many honest and passionate musicians who wouldn't be extremely angry and probably violent if their drummer acted like that, even at a small ill-attended venue. I don't see why Patrick should be any different, and I'm glad he's not so superficial to cover it up.

[Rhiflect]

Ok, so this message i will never find againon this forum probably, there are so many messages BUT, things to say to PW (i hope he still reads this, although i HIGHLY doubt it). First things.
Lets think of this in Keane Lyrics.

Is it any wonder he's tired?
Is it any wonder that he feels uptight? (not that he was being particularly)
Is it any wonder he doesn't know what's right?
Oh, these days,
After all that misery made
Is it any wonder he feels afraid?
Is it any wonder he feels betrayed?!

Ok, now, Patrick
Personally, i think that at the moment you are in a bit of a Limbo, in the battlground of the Media, of your heart, and of what your fans want.

But,
Eventually, you will come out of it.
Out of this Hinterland, this Purtagory, In - between space.
And back home, or forward to heaven as it may be.
You will once again use that divine voice box of yours to make sounds that only you can make

YOU WILL SING AGAIN PATRICK!
WRITE!
RECORD!

And all things you love.

This downward spiral will end, a phone will ring or a lyric will remind you.
Of what you had before all the hype.

E.g - Secret garden is the battleground, then Get Lost is the uplift!

So, unless the spiral has well and truly ended, please, wait for the sign that you are out of Hinterland =)

I love you, and your music.

Be happy though, it's all that really matters

And if it's really coming to that, don't commit suicide 'cos if you do, i might just join you

Well
Not really
But it will be as bad as.

xx Rhiman xx

[aching to pupate]

i respect his decision, but it's sad that patrick has been made to feel this way about something he's obviously passionate about. he sounds drained.
to quit after a long and fruitful music career is one thing, but to stop at 23 feeling like you've failed? it must be horrible. he's done the opposite - what he creates is beautiful.

oh & it's a shame that the video provoked such a negative reaction from some .. i'll admit i was intrigued by it, but some of the things that people have said about him since are unnecessarily vicious...
yes it was a bit violent, but it's not like he was assaulting him or anything. given the situation i'd say patrick's reaction was an acceptable one...



i hope he knows that there are so many people who just want him to be happy, whatever he ends up doing

[patsy]

I was just telling this story (seems like a mexican soap opera at days, a tragic one) to a dear friend who's also a fan, sent him a link etc. And, again, he coulndt believe the unecessary cruelty of some people here, he really couldnt. I know this doesnt help now, but some of the things said were really really mean. The thing is, it wasnt just 'he's a dick' or 'he's that' it was 'i ALWAYS thought he was a dick' or 'i like his music but he always seemed arrogant' and stuff. Can you imagine a guy, a genius, that gave his all to music and to his fans, that was making amazing albuns and playing 3058 instruments at an age most people are still jerking off, that was bullied in school and sought refuge in his music and in his dream of making something of it, to then get here, in a midts of a tyring tour, wondering if its all worth it, to check reactions and probably look for some support, and to be... totally bullied by his fans?!?! God thats sad. Aint that sad. Dont kill me, but its really sad (lol I'm a bit depressed today, i dunno if you can tell ... )

[gabrielle]

The second half of the video, with the performance and the drummer interaction, was awesome. I'm surprised at everyone else's reaction to it.

G/R

[admin]

patsy said:

And, again, he coulndt believe the unecessary cruelty of some people here, he really couldnt. I know this doesnt help now, but some of the things said were really really mean.

This is just a saga now.

It all feels like unecessary antagonism and - I'm sorry to say - self-glorification; if you weren't a member of the board before Patrick posted his message, then you're in no position to deliberate how you would have reacted to the video clip before Patrick's response. This topic is filled with people calling for others not to judge Patrick and then continuing to pass judgement on the people who participated in the thread; I've tried to keep my cool with it, but it's starting to get irritating now.

I know people are upset, but continually pointing fingers at other people is neither helpful or dignified.

Indeed, if you point your finger at someone else, you have three pointing back at you; I learnt that from the sage and wise philosopher, the Grandad from 8 Simple Rules.

Cheerio, Michael. xxx

[birdwhistle]

Abridged version:

No mo' blame, no mo' shame. NO MO' DRAMA.

[oldgregg]

admin said:

patsy said:

And, again, he coulndt believe the unecessary cruelty of some people here, he really couldnt. I know this doesnt help now, but some of the things said were really really mean.

This is just a saga now.

It all feels like unecessary antagonism and - I'm sorry to say - self-glorification; if you weren't a member of the board before Patrick posted his message, then you're in no position to deliberate how you would have reacted to the video clip before Patrick's response. This topic is filled with people calling for others not to judge Patrick and then continuing to pass judgement on the people who participated in the thread; I've tried to keep my cool with it, but it's starting to get irritating now.

I know people are upset, but continually pointing fingers at other people is neither helpful or dignified.

Indeed, if you point your finger at someone else, you have three pointing back at you; I learnt that from the sage and wise philosopher, the Grandad from 8 Simple Rules.

Cheerio, Michael. xxx

*applauds*
I've also been getting annoyed at the number of people who have decided to "have their say" now they've seen Patrick's response. Who says you wouldn't have had similar things to say to those you are blaming if he hadn't have posted back?

[blake]

admin said:

patsy said:

Indeed, if you point your finger at someone else, you have three pointing back at you; I learnt that from the sage and wise philosopher, the Grandad from 8 Simple Rules.

Cheerio, Michael. xxx

Wow, shite, that must be the guy Jesus ripped off..

[blake]

annabel said:

HAHA! Lbc, you are my hero.

Do I get to fly off into the sunset carrying you with my cape billowing in the breeze?

[absintheboy]

I understand Patsy why you feel that "This topic is filled with people calling for others not to judge Patrick and then continuing to pass judgement on the people who participated in the thread" and that perhaps new people have no right to suddenly appear on these boards being judgemental. My purpose in being on here is neither of those reasons

I'm on here for the 1st time as I had no idea that Patrick himself was so closely affiliated with this messageboard. I hope that somehow he may even read this message, just don't think me arrogant, it is only hope, not a belief:

Dear Patrick,

I'm not interested in the facts, the feelings, the reactions - all of them are insignificant. What is of paramount importance however, is you. Since I was 16 and suffering from depression your music has given so much to me in raising me upwards out of what can only be described as a cave of self-misery, pretentious as it sounds. The Magic Position was musical splendour, unique and beautiful. Whatever expectations you may have set for it, it utterly surpassed any of our wildest dreams.
But what price from it may have come to is your happiness, and that, as far as I'm concerned is the main thing. You're infinitely talented, you HAVE created Disneyland and what you've done so far has been nothing short of music history, not a failure in any sense. Don't doubt yourself when there are so many of us here that have faith in you. But if you feel after being let down so badly by Zach that you need time to be yourself, rather than who you feel we want you to be, I fully understand.

You're a human being, and like the rest of us you need to be happy beyond anything. The world will certainly be a lesser place as one without you playing your beautiful music. We all are hoping in every fibre and sinew of ourselves that this isn't the end, but even if it is, you have given us so much already.

Thank you,

Alasdair

[rivenne]

I've read this whole thread but have only just watched the video of the interview and the drummer firing.

Now that my initial upsetness has disapeared after I first started reading this thread, now that I've watched it; I'm trying to work out what the fuss is all about?

Patrick is young, he gets drunk, he attempts being philisophical whilst drunk and he flips out sometimes just like the rest of us! I guess I'm stoked to see he's only human.

... and a sensitive one too. He shoukdn't be upset about people's reaction to the drummer scenario, he did what he had to do and he's hardly Anton Newcombe!

There's my 2 cents

[derwisch]

I don't know if anyones picked up on this as there are so many posts to read through here, I think the main thing here is that P should do whatever makes him happy, I actually find myself thinking they are fine philosophical arguments, pissed or not, and who wouldn't flip out at a drummer seemingly in a K hole. Patrick could do a Kate Bush and let his music speak for itself without the trauma of seven hour interviews or even do a Siouxsie , who performs wonderful energetic gigs, releases records but very rareley speaks, as it's open to abuse. I have only seen him perform a couple of times but thought he was the most talented performer to hit the stage for 20 years, and I go to at least one gig a week. I went to the trouble of joining this forum purely to send some love and light out to Patrick.

[patsy]

derwisch said:

I went to the trouble of joining this forum purely to send some love and light out to Patrick.

You and me both, the problem is that he probably wont set foot here again lol

But yeah, I hope its a kate bush thing, plus he really admires her, me thinks

Michael: I wouldnt have said anything bad about the interview/gig, had i joined earlier (much less c unt) simply beacuse i found the first one sweet and the second one perfectly normal. But ok, agreed no more winning, no point. You da boss

[derwisch]

He doesn't have to see it, this is how magic works....

[patsy]

derwisch said:

He doesn't have to see it, this is how magic works....

awww, ok then *sends some magic too and hope it gets to paddies heart*

[libertine007]

I'm really happy that, even though Pat seems to have had enough, he is performing so many shows this year. So that if, God forbid, he really will quit, we all can be satisfied by the fact that we've seen him at least four times, giving his all on stage

[xolondon]

Americans have not had that opportunity unfortunately!

[libertine007]

So come to Europe. Then you can check out Patrick, London and Paris, all at the same time

[xolondon]

libertine007 said:

So come to Europe. Then you can check out Patrick, London and Paris, all at the same time

Well, I've been to England/Europe many times but sadly I do not have the kind of money to hop a plane for a concert. Esp when the exchange rate is 2-to-1.

I hope his label will support an American tour. We'll see. I am not holding my breath.