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Post by verocs on Aug 16, 2009 13:25:37 GMT
this is the full comment
the festival had to stop the music at 10:00pm and no minute later cause it took place in the city. everybody involved knew it - so did the band. really poor to throw stuff at the stage personal that had to fulfill the order to stop the music. he should know it better. they took 3000€ from his salary for the broken microphones. if he had hit somebody of us, he probably would have been beaten up behind the stage. best regards, one of the technicians
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Post by horrorshock666 on Aug 16, 2009 15:34:23 GMT
I've been holding back writing about this and wanted to make sure what i have to say is what i feel and not just a sudden reaction. After sleeping on it, i guess i'm mostly dissapointed... in the whole horrible affair.
I can understand what people have said, that he might have issues, that things might be bad, but its not an excuse at all. I ain't had an easy life and i don't know anyone who really has, but yet i wouldn't try and physically cause harm to someone, and worse still someone who doesn't deserve it. Sure, we all have our bad days and get stroppy from time to time but i would NEVER try to harm someone.
The thing i'm saying is, i'm dissapointed someone i thought so highly of, who i see as inspiration and who i felt has taught me some valuable lessons in life about being myself, not letting things get me down and to always pick myself back up... This man who helped me realise that, would be so quick to fire his anger at someone in this way.
As far as saying this might not be the full story... i think the video says it all. Maybe i brought this on myself for putting him too high up on a pedestool, being there to defend him when people said he was a twat, putting my faith in him. This makes me feel stupid for doing that, i was wrong. I took his words almost like a gospel, his communications like a faith... and now i feel disheartened by it all.
I will always, ALWAYS like and love his music, but i'm slowly losing faith in the man behind it. Sorry, but thats how i feel. I think him raising the cash through Bandstocks, knowing he can 'beat' the industry and being independent has led to him getting a little too big for his boots, and i've contributed to that. And to make things worse to brag about it, that he was once worse than this, well frankly i have no idea what to say on that matter.
Anyway... I'll leave it there.
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Post by Tasha on Aug 16, 2009 16:16:37 GMT
Blimey, I come back from holiday and suddenly people are beginning to turn against him. I thought we all knew that he had aggressive tendencies, I'm not excusing it, but everyone has flaws. That's clearly one of his. It doesn't take away from his musical ability, or even his sweetness, his kindness...all of his good qualities. They still exist. One not-so-good characteristic doesn't mean he's automatically not as good we thought he was before. That's my opinion anyway.
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Post by TiaraStripes on Aug 16, 2009 16:21:08 GMT
Obscurecure said exactly what I was thinking. It's not as if this is the first time this has happened, we're all aware of the 'drummer incident'. Thought obviously not acceptable, I don't think it's a big deal and I believe people just need to get over it. We've all done things we shouldn't have.
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Post by papilioulysses on Aug 16, 2009 16:29:10 GMT
yeah, obscurecure... that's exactly what i feel! the whole thing is much bigger now than it was on location.
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Post by horrorshock666 on Aug 16, 2009 16:43:27 GMT
Just to make clear, i am in no way turning against his music. His music is and always will be amazing to me, its what i connect to and what i find solice in, i believe in the music, i think its simply beautiful and its a breath of fresh air... Its just things like this that make me see that at the end of the day he is a musician, and a bloody good one, but still, he makes music. I think its my own fault i feel this way simply because i didn't separate the man from the music as people keep saying, and so i expect someone who i hear in the music, someone who is against violence and who 'Battles without war' and not with weapons and attacks of this nature.
That is all. I don't think any less of the music, just of the man. It might be that all of this is blown up out of proportion, but it happened and it is what is it, and its all over on the internet and this is what people see... After looking at the comments on Youtube and elsewhere, people who have never heard his music once again comment on the man, and its not showing the music in a good light, he does himself (and us as investers in his music) no favours. Maybe he doesn't have to, but it would have been nice to have known he had learnt by now to not do things like this. The fact he has done it before makes it nothing less.
I'm just dissapointed is all. And while i'm on the subject of comments, i also find the way some people who have left messages on the video use this as a chance to be homophobic horrid. The amount of times i counted the word 'fag' and so on... *sigh*
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Post by Xteenuh on Aug 16, 2009 16:47:55 GMT
I thought we all knew that he had aggressive tendencies, I'm not excusing it, but everyone has flaws. That's clearly one of his. It doesn't take away from his musical ability, or even his sweetness, his kindness...all of his good qualities. They still exist. One not-so-good characteristic doesn't mean he's automatically not as good we thought he was before. That's my opinion anyway. Yeah, a lot of us DO know about his aggressive tendencies and such by now, and of course no one's perfect, its just that when an incident like this happens of course people are going to react to it because its going to evoke some feelings in them about it. That said we also all know about Patrick's many great qualities, and for those qualities I'm still a loyal fan and admirer. So it's not so much of a shocker, and everyone's gonna move on, it's just disappointing, ya know?
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Post by the kalashnikov kid on Aug 16, 2009 16:52:04 GMT
you're all being horrible
he's a beautiful musician and poet singer and you are all just ready to insult him after all he's done for you AND ALL HE HAS GIVEN YOU
I AM SO MAD AND UPSET AT THE SAME TIME
I FEEL LIKE THE WOLFBOARD HAS LOST IT'S MIND
SAVE PATRICK
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Post by tachatos on Aug 16, 2009 18:27:17 GMT
I also think people should get over this event. Don´t be so hard on him and don´t worry so much about him. As a person who had seen his behaviour from front row in Cologne, I actually was a bit surprised to read some of the reluctant negative reactions to this in this messageboard the days after. I don´t say his behaviour is ok, but I don´t have any problem with him not apologizing for it.
In the end, he did it for the fans who were betrayed by the festival organisers and their extremely bad organization.
Certainly, there could´ve been far better ways in dealing with this than throwing equipment. But I think it was due to the moment. And he was right to be upset by it. Well, I think people should get over it. As someone said before, don´t blow it up until it bursts. This just would make it worse. For him and us.
I´m very happy for all he has given to us, in concerts, music, clips whatever. Don´t let this be spoiled by this 2 minutes- reaction.
So I wish him all the best and am thankful for his work. I don ´t mind scenes like that so much. It ´s not ok, but it wouldn´t stop me from liking his art or supporting it financially.
:-)
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Post by osker on Aug 16, 2009 18:40:02 GMT
I don't know if it's just me or what, but I'm actually more shocked by the way people are reacting to this. Yes, it was excessive and potentially dangerous what he did, but there have been far worse things that have happened in life. I'm not saying what he did was right, but still. I am in no way shape or form in any position to be judging him. I can't begin to comprehend the amount of stress he is probably in right now - with being on tour for so many months.
Do I wish he could control himself a bit better? Sure.
Do I wish he was less passionate? Never.
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Post by Miyamashi on Aug 16, 2009 18:53:00 GMT
... The thing i'm saying is, i'm dissapointed someone i thought so highly of, who i see as inspiration and who i felt has taught me some valuable lessons in life about being myself, not letting things get me down and to always pick myself back up... This man who helped me realise that, would be so quick to fire his anger at someone in this way. .... This particular part of the comment was very much my first reaction. When I watched the video, I was shocked. I gawped at the screen in a stunned disbelief. I knew about the drummer incident. I also knew he was prone to "diva moments" and drunkenness onstage. But this one really opened my eyes a bit, and, frankly, it upset and worried me. What I was really trying to say (now that I'm more coherent after some sleep) is that, while we shouldn't condone his actions (and surely, not celebrate them when they were so obviously wrong), nor should we point fingers. What I wanted to bring up in my first comment was that, given the things he's written about in his music, and spoken about in interviews, he's given us a rich autobiography of bad events. Instead of just turning away and saying, "I'm sorry, I can't respect and support a man like this", what we should be doing is calling out for him to get help. Yes, he needs to apologise, and yes, this kind of behaviour needs to stop. But losing half of his support isn't going to make it better. This isn't just a case of "Wow, look at that pissy little diva chucking stage equipment." There is something wrong, and he has pent-up stress and anger that's letting itself out at inappropriate times, and inappropriate ways. I'm not just saying this because of who he is. I would say this about ANY person out there. Guys, he's not making it secret, at all, what the cause of this is. He is a human being, who has faced some terrible things in his life, and then gone from that, straight into the public scrutiny. I can't say what it is, exactly, that needs to happen, because I don't know him, but what I can say is that I think that someone close to him needs to reach out and, by whatever means help him work through his past events, and his current stress. I'd just hate to see someone who I respect and who has inspired me so much lose everything to his inner "beastiality". We are his fans, and now we're the ones keeping his career and his music alive. Don't support him for his actions, no. But support him, more than ever, in a call for him to get help to keep things like this from happening again.
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Post by Xteenuh on Aug 16, 2009 19:34:18 GMT
you're all being horrible he's a beautiful musician and poet singer and you are all just ready to insult him after all he's done for you AND ALL HE HAS GIVEN YOU I AM SO MAD AND UPSET AT THE SAME TIME I FEEL LIKE THE WOLFBOARD HAS LOST IT'S MIND SAVE PATRICK WHICH ONE OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS IS GOING TO FUCKING INSULT PATRICK WOLF? anyway, I'm actually kinda shocked that people are shocked by reactions to this. Since, like, Jonathan's post was pretty much what was going on last time with the whole drummer fiasco. It was either OMFG PATRICK IS AN ARSETWATHOBAGDOUCHE with a response OMFG STFU HE IS WONDERFUL AND HIS DRUMMER DESERVED IT followed by OMFG YOU ARSETWATHOBAGDOUCHE YOU'RE ONLY DEFENDING HIM 'CAUSE HE'S PATRICK WOLF AND YOU THINK HE'S A PERFECT FAIRY PRINCE BOY FROM NARNIA and a petition to "SAVE PATRICK" from whatever the hell he needed "saving" from. I realize some of you weren't here for that, and this was a bit of an exaggeration, but... yeah, you get the point. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS at least this time around everyone is actually talking about this and expressing their feelings with some SENSE. Verocs said it earlier, no one's judging him as a person based on this, at least not that I see on this board, and many are still going to support him as an artist. Okay, just wanted to get that out there. And also get out my newly invented word, ARSETWATHOBAGDOUCHE.
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Post by coldwindblows on Aug 16, 2009 20:04:49 GMT
I thought it was a beautiful display of human emotions. The elegance of the body movement juxtaposed with the aggression... It was truly symbolic of one man's struggle against oppression, and anyone who doesn't agree is a fascist.
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Post by horrorshock666 on Aug 16, 2009 20:13:42 GMT
Miyamashi, i understand what you are saying...
Something i have been thinking is this: Imagine if Patrick had decided to end the gig early himself, he was fed up, he was tired, whatever reason... Imagine now that he pulled the plug on the gig, turned off his microphone. Now imagine someone who was running the event went on stage, called him a bitch, began ranting and then started throwing things at him (maybe not hitting him, but at least throwing in his direction and with the intention of hitting him).
Now... would that person be defended by people? Would she have issues that would were just so terrible it was maybe not okay but understandable to act the way she did?
I'm really not being bitchy when i say this, but i am more than sure if Patrick was on the receiving end of this kind of fiery assault, people would be looking at it from a different perspective. That woman was doing a job, she was probably given orders from someone else... that woman could be a mother, a sister, whatever, and that woman was at the receiving end of all of this... Yes, we don't know her, we don't have her music or her writing or her communications, but she was really not at fault in any of this.
Yes, its Patrick Wolf. Yes, i listen to him everyday, i buy his music, i fund his album, i believe in him... but this is just wrong. Am i over-reacting here or have a missed a piece of the jigsaw puzzle? This is the same person who is quick to speak out when he gets mistreated and when he is unfairly confronted about something.
All i can say is... he might be Patrick Wolf, but he isn't above the rules of right and wrong. One day if he does something like this and hits someone, gets taken to court, gets sued... Just, how far will some fans go to defend him?
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Aug 16, 2009 20:22:34 GMT
well I, for one, shall be releasing doves outside the courtroom.
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Post by oats on Aug 16, 2009 20:44:53 GMT
Patrick bites the heads off doves and fluffy kittens. You heard it here first.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Aug 16, 2009 20:54:22 GMT
maybe we should face away from the courthouse when releasing them
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Post by Miyamashi on Aug 16, 2009 21:03:09 GMT
Horrorshock666, you bring up a very good point, and it just further emphasizes how cruel and quick to make judgements (negative or positive) people can be. It's true, celebrities are treated differently.
There are a few very simple facts with this event. --Patrick's actions, no matter how "understandable" they may have been, given the condition and his past, were violent, out of line, and put people in danger. --The woman being attacked was a victim. Technically, this event is assault, no matter who it had been who threw the objects. --However, while Patrick has shown aggressive behaviour in the past, he does not act aggressive most of the time, which to me sets off alarm bells that there's a deeper issue that needs to be dealt with.
That is all I was saying. I would be upset, yes, if someone had attacked Patrick onstage. I am upset that Patrick attacked someone else onstage. Yes, I do seem more defensive of his actions, than if it were the other way around, and that is, in fact, because I have gained a prior respect toward him. If it had been the other way around, however, my reaction wouldn't have been, "What an asshole! How DARE you attack Patrick Wolf!" I would have been shocked (as I was when Patrick did it), and I would have considered the event itself appalling. But it wouldn't have gone further than that. I wouldn't have known anything about the past of that person. I do with Patrick, because he publicizes it. I can put together a more coherent picture of the possibilities of why he did it, and that is all. That is why I am bringing up these comments. I am not saying, by any means, that it was more excusable for him, than for anyone else.
Am I wrong in thinking that's a fair outlook?
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Post by helwin tins on Aug 16, 2009 21:05:01 GMT
well I, for one, shall be releasing doves outside the courtroom. you're so exalted.
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Post by Rhiflect on Aug 16, 2009 21:34:50 GMT
Tour checklist:
- Have an on-stage tantrum which gets seriously over speculated by the entire world.
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