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Post by septimussmith on Apr 26, 2006 10:33:09 GMT
Does anyone know if the Patrick Wolf song "Apparition" has anything to do with Woolf's ideas of "apparations" as identities that we project to the world, as we are unable ever to come into contact with a real "self"? Or is this going to much into it? See "Mrs Dalloway" p. 168 (Penguin) and "To The Lighthouse" p. 73 (Also Penguin).
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Post by tombland on Apr 26, 2006 17:43:16 GMT
Well, there's no way to prove (or i suppose disprove) that, unless there are subliminal lyrics. And as far as I'm aware he's never mentioned it in that context...
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Post by cameraobscura on Aug 20, 2007 17:01:07 GMT
I was thinking about reading the book. I hear that there are a lot of connections between Patrick and Virginia Woolf. For example, apparently the changing of his surname from Apps to Wolf were influenced by her, and of course, the song To The Lighthouse being based on the book.
any thoughts?
xx
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Post by afterhours on Sept 2, 2007 18:33:30 GMT
Not sure if Patrick has confirmed any of the connections ith Virginia Wolf but im pretty sure they are likely. He has said he loves Orlando etc. And its pretty definate that the song is named after the book To The Lighthouse. Not sure about the name. Probably that amoungst other things. Such as the actual creature since it is not spelt the same way as the writers surname.
Love Virginia Woolf though. To The Lighthouse is a really good book!
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Post by Roxy on Nov 14, 2007 22:30:45 GMT
The song "To the Lighthouse" is not as much about the book as it is Virginia Woolf's suicide, I think...
"Build your castle, stop collecting stones, and the riverbed shall not be your home."
Virginia Woolf weighed herself down with stones and drowned in the river.
I kind of wonder if the song is about the hypocrisy of Miss Woolf. Or maybe he is just connecting the two-
"Like Virginia Woolf said, To the lighthouse! So even though life may be burdensome, don't go killing yourself, go find your sanctuary and peace here on Earth!"
Maybe I should post this in the To the Lighthouse thread... =]
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Post by sanssouci on Nov 15, 2007 10:48:56 GMT
and it all links very nicely to Godrevy too.
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Post by Daniellalala on Nov 18, 2007 20:49:04 GMT
I always try and find little Woolf links in the songs, I just figured I read too much into songs. I have a bit of a Virginia Woolf obsession since studying her at school - ever since 6th form I have loved her - I really should have done English lit at uni, my friend did loads of Woolf as part of her course
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Post by margot on Nov 30, 2007 18:29:54 GMT
Obvious links to 'Jacob's Ladder' too.
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Post by missyseepy on Dec 29, 2007 22:10:19 GMT
I shouldn't give voice to this topic, because I know only two Woolf's books, but I doubt whether this Jacob from "Jacob's ladder" is really taken from Woolf's novel "Jacob's room". The more obvious link seems to be this famous story from The Bible, don't you think? (for those who don't know it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob's_Ladder )
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Post by fashionfauxpas on Jan 1, 2008 20:14:10 GMT
Guys, Jacob's Ladder is in Edinburgh, you see? Sounds like this might be what he means (considering he sings about Edinburgh elsewhere) but he ties it in with the Biblicalness (hence about Heaven). But I don't know; I guess.
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Post by missyseepy on Jan 1, 2008 22:30:59 GMT
Interesting suggestion, thanks for mentioning. There might be some true in it, Edinburgh appears on "Wind in the Wires" album in "Gypsy king". Maybe Patrick first found this place and Edinburgh and then got interested in the origin of its name, in that way getting into Jacob's Ladder from The Bible. Of course only Patrick himself knows how this song really was created .
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Post by fashionfauxpas on Jan 4, 2008 13:48:59 GMT
Indeed, we can but speculate.
It makes me happy to hear him sing about Edinburgh, either way.
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Post by katherine☮ on Apr 2, 2008 16:57:42 GMT
My English teacher mentioned something about Virginia Woolf and To The Lighthouse and I've heard her being linked to Patrick Wolf before, apparently my friend looked at me when she said it, and I was smiling to myself >.< I think I might read the book, can anyone tell me briefly what its about (without spoiling the ending or anything!)
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Post by Vincent on Apr 2, 2008 17:14:26 GMT
Well, there isn't so much a plot. It's a about a family, their servants and their friends. That's pretty much it. But the character portrayal is very good. The book made me feel very nostalgic, happy and safe for some reason (especially the first half).
I feel like such a fangirl for having bought the book solely because I though there could be some connection between the book and the song. But in the end it has become one of my favourite books, regardless of the song.
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Apr 2, 2008 18:05:07 GMT
The whole song Godrevy Point has got to be about her... The "ribcage in some wreck on the rocks" is probably hers. I'm fairly sure that's where her lighthouse is... at least where she jumped to her death. I can connect her to the lyrics pretty tightly. I guess Patrick connects with her a lot. I am not sure that he doesn't have some greater connection to the place, though. Perhaps the lyrics are referring to something personal, but I'm just speculating.
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Post by getlostwithme on Apr 12, 2008 11:23:03 GMT
Definitely, I think Patrick's so influenced by her that a huge majority of the stuff he does is based on her. He sometimes seems like he's trying to show her emotions & ideas on the world through music instead of literature, even in the songs which don't have any direct links, like Demolition, which is about separation & destruction, perhaps about her suicide? Who knows xxxx
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Apr 14, 2008 22:09:30 GMT
Definitely, I think Patrick's so influenced by her that a huge majority of the stuff he does is based on her. He sometimes seems like he's trying to show her emotions & ideas on the world through music instead of literature, even in the songs which don't have any direct links, like Demolition, which is about separation & destruction, perhaps about her suicide? Who knows xxxx Demolition actually really reminds me of the house in Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse. Throughout the middle section of the book, the house withers and decays because ten years pass in a few pages. It's really beautiful literature. xx
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Post by Elderberry Fucking Fanta on Apr 20, 2008 8:18:32 GMT
Demolition actually really reminds me of the house in Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse. Throughout the middle section of the book, the house withers and decays because ten years pass in a few pages. It's really beautiful literature. Yeah, that was my first thought upon reading that section! In my opinion that is the best bit of the whole book. I guess it appeals to my sentimental side.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Apr 20, 2008 10:52:44 GMT
I think Patrick draws a lot of his inspiration from literature, Virginia Woolf and Angela Carter are (I think) quite noticeable influences on a few of his lyrics and such. I suppose as a songwriter he's relating his experiences and opinions, and sometimes when i'm reading then there'll be a particular section of the book which is like a reflection of myself. It's possible that he takes those moments and makes them into music.
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Post by stentorsrevenge on Apr 22, 2008 2:03:59 GMT
Demolition actually really reminds me of the house in Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse. Throughout the middle section of the book, the house withers and decays because ten years pass in a few pages. It's really beautiful literature. Yeah, that was my first thought upon reading that section! In my opinion that is the best bit of the whole book. I guess it appeals to my sentimental side. Definitely one of my favorite parts, too. I was also very moved by the dinner bit... where everyone was enclosed by the glass and cut off from the dark world for a transient night - right before everything collapsed.
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