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Post by Zurich80 on Jul 11, 2011 16:02:05 GMT
there was very much a pivotal point in Patrick's career 2 or 3 years ago when it was linear with Ms Florence Welch and her merry band. Both signed to the same label, and both vying for the marketing budget to kick in and progress the career. That budget was only going to go to one band. The fact that it was Flo, not only said a lot about the wavering corporate faith in Patrick, but it also proved to be the correct decision. (I refer you once more to the clip of Patrick and the 'House' fiasco at this years Glasto). Well, when you refer about PW/Flo and the who's-going-to-get-the-big-budget deal, you must keep in mind how enormously successful "Lungs" was/is, while on the other hand, "The Bachelor" doesn't have half of the commercial appeal "Lungs" has. All in all, I agree with your main idea on the first post on this thread. But I still can't quite see what's so terrible about the House clip, maybe I'm not paying enough attention. And I'm also failing to identify which is the second song he's singing on that video. *sigh* obviously, I'm talking pre Lungs here. The marketing budget thrown at that album reaped the expected dividends. And the House clip is simply a microcosm of Patrick Wolfs' general stage act.
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Post by catwolf on Jul 11, 2011 20:58:28 GMT
^Haha sorry, i was just meaning however professional/expensive the roadies are, and however perfect or otherwise the performance is, none of that matters if there aren't enough people wanting to see him. Still slightly missing my point though Catty. Point being that- at least currently - Patrick does not operate on the professional level of a top line (ie Glasto) headliner. Regardless of whether he has a lackie tuning his Ukelele or not. Maybe if enough people wanted to see him he would headline anyway. Or maybe not. I think Lunamorgan's right about how he'd have more expensive roadies and more people making sure everything was ok. And Patrick would probably make sure he remembered the right chords if he was headlining Glastonbury To be honest I really don't know, I think it would be wonderful if he headlined but then I'm biased
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lunamorgan
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Post by lunamorgan on Jul 12, 2011 8:14:40 GMT
I can assure you that professionalism is not what decides who gets the larger budget at record labels. My wife worked at a record label for a while, as did several of my friends, and I can say with absolute certainty that the larger budget goes to the person they believe will be more commercially successful in the current musical climate. It has nothing to do with if they'll forget the chords or trash hotel rooms or be horrible to interviewers or anythings of the sort. In fact, most labels welcome a slightly unhinged artist so long as they can function well enough to get to and from their gigs and make headlines, regardless of what sort of headlines those are.
I think you vastly overestimate the importance of professionalism in the music industry. If people cared about professionalism we'd never had heard of Iggy Pop or The Rolling Stones, for that matter, or Amy Winehouse, or any of those people who are talented but clearly not in the best state of mind.
Again, I'm not saying that Patrick never makes mistakes or that he is without flaw. But I think it's utterly ridiculous to believe that people are chosen to head Glasto based on their ability to perform a set without mistakes. They've allowed Oasis to headline, for goodness sake. Oasis. Not a band known for their on stage professionalism by any stretch of the imagination. They've given major spots to The Libertines. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with those groups, just, let's not kid ourselves. The standard is not one of on stage perfection.
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Post by lolli on Jul 12, 2011 11:47:13 GMT
If you're going to hold Florence up as an example I'm going to give you my opinion (and I stress, this is MY opinion).
Having seen her live one and a bit times - at the Ben & Jerry's festival when no-one really knew who she was (the bit was when she sang (wailed) with Patrick at the Palladium) I can honestly say, hand on heart, that I would rather stick pins in my eyes and ears rather than suffer another second of that woman on stage.
On the other hand, Patrick brings a little bit of joy into my life during the hour or so he's on stage and that my friends is something much more precious then a Glasto (or any other festival) headline slot.
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Post by Zurich80 on Jul 12, 2011 17:45:00 GMT
If you're going to hold Florence up as an example . Oh dear, seems the point is getting lost in a muddle of semantics. Look, re Flo: - I can't stand the woman either. But the fact is that Flo and her band are a hundred times more likely to be headlining festivals than our lovely old Wolfy.
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Post by thehazelwoodfaye on Jul 16, 2011 15:43:11 GMT
Patrick plays the mainstage at Melt! so I'm done with the topic tehe and it will be shown live on TV so I'm happy...as happy as one can be not being there tonight! ;D dunno if you can view the live stream in other countries, but here it is if you want to try: kultur.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/8/0,1872,8245928,00.html
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Post by herrdoktor on Jul 16, 2011 17:19:04 GMT
Patrick plays the mainstage at Melt! so I'm done with the topic tehe and it will be shown live on TV so I'm happy...as happy as one can be not being there tonight! ;D dunno if you can view the live stream in other countries, but here it is if you want to try: kultur.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/8/0,1872,8245928,00.html At what time is he on ? edit: I did my maths and he should be on in one minute? And thanks for the link, although the only thing it's showing for me is the Earth globe spinning around to some elevator music
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