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Post by idreamofcherrypies on Mar 28, 2010 22:23:40 GMT
One could question whether this is art, but I'm going to see it on Tuesday www.barbican.org.uk/artgallery/event-detail.asp?id=9713But I have such an adoration towards birds, and therefore birds and music = awww. The video's a pretty good inkling in itself but I'd like to see it for myself. Has anyone seen it? Oh my god I'm gonna have to go to that, I love birds/birdsong Thanks!
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Post by jadeface on Mar 28, 2010 22:31:11 GMT
it's on for quite a while too, which is good. i'm quite looking forward to it, every exhibition i've been to at the barbican has been quite good so. Either way the birds are so pretty.
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Post by mimicry on Mar 29, 2010 23:34:29 GMT
re: art/not art: saying that anything is art, or that if the artist calls it art it is art, is, frankly, bullshit. The artist doesn't have a privileged position over the viewer (or doesn't anymore); just because they made something doesn't mean they know what's up. I'm aware I say things casually on here, and that others take more time into things they post. Because of that people may think I'm a bit stupid or just inferior intellectually. I'm not the best at explaining what is in my head, but I will try. If someone makes a piece of work, regardless to whether thought has gone into it or not, or whether it has been well executed or skill has been used, placing it into a gallery space, makes it art.* Therefore, if I did a really shit drawing and somehow it got into a gallery, people would try to look at what the work is about, the lines, the details, the reasons, whether it is about anything or not. People do that when standing before something, we try to read and take something from it. But also, not all work has a concept and therefore it may just be about skill, like photo-realism, which doesn't really interest me but it's about capturing someone or something as they were, or wanted to be viewed, blah blah. * Obviously the audience can then look at it, and disregard it, but the fact that a gallery has chosen it to be art, adds to the fact that this is what is it defined as. Really vague, I know, but I know what I mean and I'm sure other people will get the gist of what I'm trying to say. Oh, I hope you didn't take what I was saying as an insult. I wasn't saying anything about you, and I'm sorry if it came across as offensive. I just don't agree with that particular attitude, this idea that art gets enshrined in a gallery. After all, who controls what gets into a gallery? Curators, boards of trustees, critics, "experts"-- but they, after all, are just people who are deciding things based on taste and politics. That sort of thing sets up the art critic as interpreter for the masses, when the masses can decide things for themselves. :\ In conclusion, OMG BIRDS
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Post by jadeface on Mar 30, 2010 7:31:10 GMT
I think we both actually agree with each other in a way because i'm just saying it from a different angle, or attempting to. You're right, curators etc decide, that's what I mean, others are deciding it is art. In a plain linear way, they've decided to represent it as art but no of course, we might not like it or think it is. But the 'general public' (I never know what this means when I read it, but I'm just using it to make a point) may look at some work and think 'Well, what do I know? It must be art but I don't get it'. Obviously, alternatively, you can say, no, that's bullshit, or the work itself might be trying to make that exact point. And you didn't offend me, I just read back a lot of things I type and think 'douche' haha. I'm going to see those birds today. edit: I SAW THEM. AWWWHLAKJSDHGKLJHSDKLGJHSDFG. I thought they'd be behind glass but you can literally walk around all the instruments and they sometimes land on your feet or your head one of them was trying to steal some mans shoelaces. They were making nests inside guitar strings. SO CUTE. And I loved it when they went mad and made the guitar go really crazy.
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Post by mynameisHughGrant on Apr 7, 2010 17:07:24 GMT
One could question whether this is art, but I'm going to see it on Tuesday www.barbican.org.uk/artgallery/event-detail.asp?id=9713But I have such an adoration towards birds, and therefore birds and music = awww. The video's a pretty good inkling in itself but I'd like to see it for myself. Has anyone seen it? I've been desperate to go since it opened but I haven;t had the time when I'm in london to go to barbican. I'd say this is definitely art. I think of art as creating a response to the world. Like, we are all consumers. We take in everything that happens, and an artist responds to that, in whatever medium. I suppose by this theory, we are all artists just because we live. It's a beautiful world before you go outside.
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Post by helwin tins on Apr 9, 2010 3:18:46 GMT
I actually kind of agree with Jade, in that if someone has created something that is, to them, art, then it is. I also think if someone decides upon viewing something it's art, it is. I see it as a personal truth I guess.
Basically, art is what you make of it. I see art in everything, because I'm an optimist and like to think that people care about things they don't, even though I know logically it is JUST an egg box or a flat pack table or whatever.
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Post by wakefromthysleep on Apr 9, 2010 17:00:49 GMT
even though I know logically it is JUST an egg box or a flat pack table or whatever. ooohh.. yeah. Do we want to start a discussion on art vs design? ;D is a simple egg box art or design? when can you call it art and why? what makes packaging become art? ain't packaging perverted? It's nothing but advertisement in 3 dimensions and talks to the consumer on a psychologic level that he doesn't notice. of course I think that there is a sort of packaging that is art. definitely yes. what is a good cake without icing? one of my favourite blogs: the dieline. There are some real masterpieces but also funny/weird stuff. Once when I was in Danmark I bought a beer can just because it looked so good (haha, advertisement worked..) and then I found it on the page and it even got an award for the design. Oh and last year I applied for communication design, I got rejected but then was accepted for art.. mh
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