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Post by thevoiceofpw on Oct 25, 2009 18:29:10 GMT
Hello.. this is patrick, I have decided to become more interactive with you! well... I am so glad you enjoyed wild life in Paris. Its a shame you have to hear it in such bad quality... its got BIIIIIIGGGG BAAASS and is still in development stage with my hot stuff Los Angeles California sound and its music to shake your ass to. music to run wild with in your own private discotheque... im seeing humans more as wildlife now... we should respect all the animals, the diversity and uniqueness of each other. the conqueror will be an album about celebration of life and love, but in a very more mature harder sense then magic position, i am deeply in love and feel complete for the first time in my life as a human and feel i need to share that with everyone... i love exploring new musical production... i want you to never have to buy the same thing twice... I want you to all constantly feel a sense of evolution through my music and growing up and exploring new sounds and different ways of thinking and being and hearing....
i love you all very much.... this is my first post online, sparked by some bullshit vernacular from some nutter who has been blocked finally from this community. if you have any complaints of feeling "cyber bullied" or any sense of aggression from others then let your voice be heard. This should be a safe place where we can communicate. You know my aesthetics, you know the lyrics.... lots of love xxxxxxxx patrick
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Post by verocs on Oct 25, 2009 18:45:42 GMT
thanks patrick, I felt that too that's why I had to say what I said. I dont think banning anyone is the answer though, that just creates martyrs.
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Post by jay on Oct 25, 2009 18:48:54 GMT
i'm with you on that point, yep. we all know what happens when i (god forbid) lock a post or move it to the mod section.
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Post by verocs on Oct 25, 2009 18:53:11 GMT
dictatorship! censorship!
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Post by lastgoodbye on Oct 25, 2009 19:52:48 GMT
I feel like such a loser/hypocrite remaking my account less than a day after I deleted it, hah. But for some reason, probably a technical error, it would seem that you can't post as a guest in the PW section anymore. And I felt the need to reply to this situation, so I'm flitting by for that sole purpose. Hello.. this is patrick, I have decided to become more interactive with you! i love you all very much.... this is my first post online, sparked by some bullshit vernacular from some nutter who has been blocked finally from this community. if you have any complaints of feeling "cyber bullied" or any sense of aggression from others then let your voice be heard. This should be a safe place where we can communicate. You know my aesthetics, you know the lyrics.... lots of love xxxxxxxx patrick Patrick... hi. I am fully expecting you to not read or reply to this post, but I figured I'd write it anyway. My name is Florence, I met you at Underage this year, helping Rhianne deliver the birthday book, and I am.. was a member of this board, for a few years now. This is in response to your message - which Jay posted in the "q&a" thread - as well as to your post in this thread. Fordawynne, aka Josh, is one of my best friends. He is one of the sweetest and most lovely guys you could ever get to know - but he sometimes acts like an arsehole on this forum. His posts which you have made reference to are dumb and horrible. I don't like them either. I also know that he meant them as a inoffensive parody to some of the more bizarre "What biscuits do you like? What's your favourite hair?" kind of posts that these q&a threads always attract. However, it still went too far, and wasn't even a little bit funny. Even so, I kind of feel obliged, as his friend, to reassure you with every fibre of my being that he isn't a homophobe. Josh isn't "that" kind of person that he must come across as from just reading those posts (and possibly from taking into account the whole disagreement you two had a while back, if you're still remembering that - the "hooker" dispute, as it is now affectionately known...) This next bit is to Jay, as well. I think the issue we have - you guys have - on this forum is not cyber bullying. It's not people (especially die-hard Wolf fans) being bullied by a few, more established and detached posters. It's posters being afraid when they shouldn't be! There's nothing scary about anyone on this forum, I promise you all. Cross my heart. If someone, Josh or anyone, posts something not-funny, which you find offensive, then call them out on it, and talk about it rationally with them. If Josh or anyone else (other names have been mentioned recently) posts something that intimidates you, then reply to it! Ask them about it! More than likely, it's a misunderstanding. Even if it's not, people seem much less scary if you talk to them in a rational way about your issue, instead of ignoring it and letting it build up, like I think most people here tend to do. It is not up to me anymore to talk to Josh every time I think he might be (completely unintentionally) upsetting someone on here who is too nervous to admit it themselves, even though these past few years it really has seemed that way. This is a problem of communication between different groups of posters - it's nothing more than that. If some posters are feeling bullied or scared by people, and other posters consider those same people to be friends, and harmless - but the first and third group people get along fine, then obviously there's something amiss here. No one is being bullied. You've all just got to learn to communicate with one another, guys. There are no bad or nasty people on this forum. But there is far too much misunderstanding. There's nothing to fear about sarcasm or satire on a messageboard, and no one here is above or below anyone else - remember that. Talk to each other as equals, get to know each other's traits, don't be afraid to put people in their place, and learn to tell when another person is joking. That is all.
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Post by jay on Oct 25, 2009 20:06:49 GMT
ah, welcome back. i really didn't want you to go. but honestly? if more than a few people feel they're getting ganged up on, we can't all be wrong, can we? i've tried the rational discussion route. i have been called names and i find that baffling, really petty behaviour from people who should act their age - in my opinion.
i don't need to go on about how i feel cos i said it all in the other thread but you do make a really good point - the reason why i get so frustrated when josh posts those things is because i KNOW he's not like that. hell, we were really close friends at one point and i've met him and he was a perfectly amicable individual. that's why i'm confused and a bit upset, cos i see no logic to why some people act the way they do on here when 'in real life' they're just fine. to me, it's just another case of someone using their keyboard and monitor as a shield and sword. which smacks of bullying, and i don't want to sit back and just accept that sort of behaviour anymore.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Oct 25, 2009 20:17:09 GMT
Thanks Florence for sticking up for me/being honest as ever.
There's honestly no motivation at all behind 'those' sort of posts, at the moment I just use this forum to fill little bits of time in and I'll usually just type the first thing that comes into my head/will amuse me. I did apologise for maybe going too far with my parody of the Q+A thread before Patrick came on.. for what it is worth.
The stuff about Jake came about cos he actually really did engage me/piss me off by being really unfair and unkind to Florence in the "Battle" thread, I was in protective rage and I still stand by my use of the term "queen" in the context I used it.
I have a different political take on the whole LGBT/hateful speech/identity politics stuff as most people here. I believe that no language is empirically offensive only implications behind and interpretations of language. I also believe no subjects should be off-limits/censored in humour. The concept of being "strict" about people's language and thus free expression for me flies in the face of any true concept of "libertine'-ism.
but ya'all don't have to agree. I'm cool, I understand why some of these words will be emotive to people. I'm severely dyspraxic and undergoing a diagnosis that will very possibly/probably reveal I have an autistic spectrum condition, I ain't a fan of being called a "spaz" or "retard" etc like I was at school... but still I'm not going to curb others free expression to save MY feelings.
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Post by the kalashnikov kid on Oct 25, 2009 20:18:24 GMT
its got BIIIIIIGGGG BAAASS is it a dubstep song do a dubstep song also josh is one of my favourite wolfboarders
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Post by lastgoodbye on Oct 25, 2009 20:18:44 GMT
Jay: In that case, I might have actually missed something. When has Josh bullied anyone? He's explained the queen remark - he thought it to mean one thing (an over-confident, drama-full gay teenager) and others it interpreted it as an offensive homophobic slight, so that was an error of communication… I'm really - honest to God - not trying to make excuses for Josh's behaviour, but I didn't realise actual incidents of bullying were taking place. Are there any examples of this? Before making accusations.
I've heard many times before of people being "scared" of certain posters, and it's because of this fake aura of mean-ness and other-ness which is put around them and propelled by everyone, rather than them in themselves actually being nasty people, or intending to intimidate others. Hell, I was intimidated by some posters here when I was younger. Since then, I’ve realised how wrong I was, and I guess that’s why it upsets me that other people now feel that way.
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Post by helwin tins on Oct 25, 2009 20:30:55 GMT
being scared of posters on an internet forum is ridiculous. the only people on here who ever get accused of scaring people are josh and i, which is fucking ridiculous, seeing as when people pick up on things we've said they don't agree with and tell us that, both of us respond rationally and respectfully - that's not being bullied, that's not having enough confidence to disagree, which is not my problem. certain posters around here have a serious fucking victim complex, however i'm not going down that route as that's not my business, even though it is being MADE my business by me being accused of being a bitch.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Oct 25, 2009 20:36:03 GMT
the very thought of anyone being scared of me is very... alien to me.
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Post by lastgoodbye on Oct 25, 2009 20:38:18 GMT
Sibz is right.
Sibz is lovely. Josh is lovely. Jay is lovely. Vera is lovely. I thought Jake was lovely, and you know what, we've argued, but I still think he probably is. This forum attracts lovely people. I'm sure Mr Wolf is lovely, and would find how lovely everyone is if he posted more. I literally have a bad word to say about no one on this forum. But people need to learn to get along.
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Post by jay on Oct 25, 2009 20:41:17 GMT
okay, right. let me put my hands up here and say truce. i don't want an uncomfortable place here, and no one else does either. if people are intimidated, let's take florence's (very good) advice and simply communicate a bit more. i do think that's the issue here. we all assume and it's split us apart, or something. i'd like to apologise for using the term 'bullying' when i mean something different, but i really am not sure how to word it properly. i just want us to move on now. is that okay?
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Oct 25, 2009 20:41:22 GMT
^ it really is shocking how a 16 year old is the most mature person here.
To be honest, no matter how harsh or offensive my statements sound in retrospect I literally never mean any harm.. which probably just makes me very socially inept?
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Post by dot on Oct 25, 2009 20:51:27 GMT
That's often the problem with the internet. People don't mean to offend people but because it's just written word and you're not interacting with people face-to-face it's so easy for things to be interpreted wrongly.
And I agree with Florence. Everyone here seems lovely kind people as far as I can tell. But even the loveliest of people make stupid posts sometimes that cause offense whether or not it was intended. And I think it's important that even though this is monitered by mods (We don't want people getting upset) that people are also given a chance to explain what they meant and, like Josh did, show that he's not a mean person but that he's going through a tough time in life.
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Post by Rhiflect on Oct 25, 2009 20:52:31 GMT
'Thank god for Florence' might be my lifes motto...
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Post by helwin tins on Oct 25, 2009 20:52:34 GMT
i really like dot and her posts. i dunno if i've mentioned this before. dot, i like you and your posts.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Oct 25, 2009 20:53:53 GMT
to be honest I wouldn't use the tough time I'm going though as an explanation/excuse for the stuff I said that's upset people, it just seems.. really small by comparison. Though I guess if other people ARE upset that's kind of selfish.
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Post by dot on Oct 25, 2009 21:04:19 GMT
i really like dot and her posts. i dunno if i've mentioned this before. dot, i like you and your posts. Thanks. to be honest I wouldn't use the tough time I'm going though as an explanation/excuse for the stuff I said that's upset people, it just seems.. really small by comparison. Though I guess if other people ARE upset that's kind of selfish. Fair enough. I just know that if I'm having a tough time I care less about what I post to people I've never met on the internet.
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Post by jay on Oct 25, 2009 21:05:16 GMT
i do understand you're going through a tough time but i'm also glad you know you can't use that as an excuse. anyway, i accepted your apology, because like i said, i know you're not a homophobe or whatever. i know you're not a horrible person, i hope i've never said you were, that would be really unfair of me.
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