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Post by Tellurium on Feb 18, 2010 19:00:20 GMT
I appreciate the streaming links, as my little netbook is small of brain and downloading entire films is pretty much a no.
Am I allowed in on this? Or is there some Film Club Elite joining process that I missed out on?
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Feb 18, 2010 19:56:50 GMT
^ of course anyone can join in!
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Post by victorinox on Feb 19, 2010 0:13:29 GMT
stagevu, I DO SO HAVE THE CORRECT PLUGINS oh well i think i'll just watch this in a few megavideo spurts. it looks intriguing.
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Post by husbandwifeheroin on Feb 19, 2010 0:14:41 GMT
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Post by lastgoodbye on Feb 19, 2010 18:10:40 GMT
The turning my router offline thing didn't work yesterday, so indeed I have only seen 72 minutes of it Must finish soon and start discussing!
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Post by wakefromthysleep on Feb 19, 2010 20:14:32 GMT
I've seen it last night and ... [no words] wtf? HOW DAMN GOOD IS THIS FILM?! I've never heard of it before...why? what went wrong? I love it. I'll bother my environment with qoutations. For interpretations I want to watch it again.
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Post by dot on Feb 20, 2010 0:35:46 GMT
I watched it earlier today, I liked it but didn't love it. I guess I'll wait until a few more people have seen it before discussing it properly.
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Post by helwin tins on Feb 20, 2010 1:56:00 GMT
btw, i have a paid megavideo account i don't mind sharing details for if people pm me. i'll watch this when i have internet that isn't only on my phone.
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Post by idreamofcherrypies on Feb 20, 2010 22:10:25 GMT
Just looked it up on IMDb, I'm well excited for watching it now. And he's from Blackpool! I tried to imagine him on the Pepsi Max but couldn't.
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Post by thornyking on Feb 21, 2010 6:47:13 GMT
Well. I think I have finished bawling my eyes out.
Like others, I will be watching it again.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Feb 21, 2010 8:46:37 GMT
Glad people seem to have enjoyed it! Looking forward to hearing some more indepth thoughtz.
I've never cried watching it thornyking, so that's interesting to me. What set you off? (ha, can you use spoiler tags on this forum?)
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Post by idreamofcherrypies on Feb 22, 2010 1:46:38 GMT
Watching it now, it's good ;D Johnny reminds me of a more disturbing Frank Gallagher (Shameless)
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Feb 22, 2010 16:15:33 GMT
Watching it now, it's good ;D Johnny reminds me of a more disturbing Frank Gallagher (Shameless) Ha.. I never would have made that comparison.. but I guess it sort of makes sense. I haven't watched Shameless in years, it use to be goood.
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Post by idreamofcherrypies on Feb 22, 2010 17:04:24 GMT
Watching it now, it's good ;D Johnny reminds me of a more disturbing Frank Gallagher (Shameless) Ha.. I never would have made that comparison.. but I guess it sort of makes sense. I haven't watched Shameless in years, it use to be goood. Yeah, the chemical dependency, the faux-philosophical ramblings, the constant biting wordplay and sarcasm, and the selfishness. Although Johnny's miles crueller, whereas Frank genuinely thinks he's being good sometimes I think. It's still quite good now I think, but it was at its peak before all the good people like Kev and Veronica left.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Feb 22, 2010 17:16:03 GMT
Hmm I always saw Frank as kind of the sad old piss head at your local who'll come out with the occasional pearl of wisdom amongst the drunk babble, savant-style. Johnny I think is actually quite lucid, his ideas quite well thought out, as least by their own deeply nihilistic internal logic.
Perhaps Frank was a little bit Johnny-esque when he was young, or Johnny will grow to be Frank-esque. But like you said.. Frank doesn't really have that overtly cruel streak to him.
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Post by thornyking on Feb 22, 2010 21:53:00 GMT
I've never cried watching it thornyking, so that's interesting to me. What set you off? (ha, can you use spoiler tags on this forum?) I rarely ever cry watching a film, but the general bleakness got to me. I won't say too much (too bad we can't have spoiler tags) but seeing Sophie so agitated just tore me up.
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Post by irrelevant on Feb 23, 2010 6:55:21 GMT
i'm not really going to worry about spoilers seeing as how there's no real reason for anyone to read this part of the thread this far into the week without having seen it already. thoroughly enjoyed this. couple things... it was most likely nothing but insignificant fun with the script, but i liked the contrast between johnny's 'you don't want to fuck me, you might catch something cruel' [disregarding the double meaning] in the middle of the film, and jeremy's rape scene being followed by him toying with the idea of sophie having contracted hiv. it's a shame that his mind is used as a generally destructive force outside of those wonderful quips. felt bad for brian. i can't tell if johnny sees his proselytizing as a form of charity or if it's simply unchecked delusion most of the time [and that's not to say that everyone he meets haven't deluded themselves as well in one way or another], but i suppose the former could hold some truth if you note the woman in the window as a blatant metaphor for how brian sees his future, and what it might actually turn out to be. really good movie. johnny is quite a fascinating character, but if i had a day to pick his brain i'd probably just pass on that and take him to some antique store so he can find humor in the most insipid clutter.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Feb 23, 2010 10:12:52 GMT
but i suppose the former could hold some truth if you note the woman in the window as a blatant metaphor for how brian sees his future, and what it might actually turn out to be. Oh, very good Joeb. I always thought there was something symbolic about the hot exhabitionist girl in the window who it only becomes apparant at close observation is an older lady trying to relive her youth in a tawdry and pathos leden fashion. Never made that specific connection though. Doh! Johnny is kind of a fallen angel if you want to get pretentious about it.. the angel of death perhaps. He forces people to look into the mirror and see bleak truths, that pretty much leaves them destroyed. I dunno if his goal is to help like somesort of cruel guru breaking a student or if he just speaks the truth as he sees it unfiltered and doesn't care about the consequances. Brian is the only one who shakes him "don't waste your life" when they met in the cafe.. for once he doesn't have an answer to that I see the film as being about what happens what intelligence/potential/talent whatever you want to call it is repressed and doesn't find a niche or an outlet in soceity. Johnny's a genius but can you see him in formal education.. no lecturuer would put up him with him! Basically when all that potential and mental energy boils up inside a person unusued it can go.. BOOM! and lead to some horrible things. Yeah.. I gotta admit I do relate to Johnny quite a lot. Though I'm not a charismatic/magnetic, articulate and thankfully not nearly as evil.. What's your takes on Jeremy/Sebastian? I see his role as a device to stop lazy readings of the film as a partisan political piece. Johnny is lower class so it's easy to say "society did it to him!" but when that is contrasted by an upper class character who is twice as nihilistic and cruel, it makes you have to work harder to understand what the origin of those things are.
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Post by Lemon Bloody Cola on Feb 23, 2010 10:44:10 GMT
Also I'd like to add, I see Johnny's violent sexual appetites as more overflow from that boiling up wasted potential. Johnny is basically like a leaf blown in the breeze, he doesn't have much control over the direction of his life he just shambles from one situation to the next. Therefore in his sexual self he craves complete dominion and control.
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Post by lastgoodbye on Feb 23, 2010 12:21:19 GMT
What's your takes on Jeremy/Sebastian? I see his role as a device to stop lazy readings of the film as a partisan political piece. Johnny is lower class so it's easy to say "society did it to him!" but when that is contrasted by an upper class character who is twice as nihilistic and cruel, it makes you have to work harder to understand what the origin of those things are. I really liked the film by the way, but at the bit when Jeremy comes into their house at the end I started to like it a lot more. I guess I was relieved, because up until that point there was a lot of cruelty and sexual violence but without much (or any) focus on the consequences, it's really detatched. There's an element of fuck the consequences, each man for their own. This person has been raped, this person has been assaulted, let's move on. I guess it's the way that the plot moves forward and we don't see anybody who is left behind. But Louise and Sophie's friendship in the last part, it showed these terrified women clinging together in their natural reaction to having their house invaded, and the mutual protectiveness, and it was so genuine it was really touching. It was like, finally! A less blasé approach to what some of these characters are actually doing. It's crafty, though. We come away from the film (or I did) hating and being creeped out by Jeremy, but liking Johnny. It's because we are shown the consequences of what Jeremy does in a clear, emotional way. If you think about it, Johnny is just as bad. He raped someone, too, and he assaults and threatens women. We see him do it. But we're also shown his positive side, and we don't get shown the actual damage of what he's done in an affecting way like we do with Jeremy. It's like because we don't get to see his rape victim shaking with fright and going crazy, it doesn't happen, but it did, and in reality she probably is. Maybe there's a lesson in that, but I can't think what. Should we really dislike Jeremy more than Johnny? Why? Because Johnny is more charming, more clever? I'll have to re-think how I've been left feeling about all the characters, because I can't really trust my instinctive assessment with this film. It's interesting that when he has just been beaten up, Johnny tells Louise and/or Sophie that the reason he can't go back to Manchester is because he will get beaten there too, and it's like, awhh! sympathy all round. It's only just now that I've remembered that the reason he fled in a stolen car is because he raped someone. Overall though, I think the moral of the story is: don't let strange men into your house. Ps. The werewolf reference is really weird, considering that ten years later he does actually play a werewolf. PPs. I LOVE Sandra. She adds to it so much, when everything comes back to reality at the end of the film. Like, it's fun to watch films like this, but if you came home from holiday and it was all going on in your house then you wouldn't be able to finish a sentence, either.
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