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Post by tarantella on Mar 19, 2010 19:13:45 GMT
I judge people for smoking cigarettes. I judge with great severity.
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Post by jay on Mar 19, 2010 19:16:35 GMT
^ ugh, i feel you. i was coming out of the doctors today and enjoying the fresh air and the sunshine at 9am and then some guy came out, coughed in my face and lit a cigarette and stood up-wind of me so all the smoke blew in my direction. FUCKING TWAT.
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Aly
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Post by Aly on Mar 19, 2010 19:24:05 GMT
Do you guys know what you do when you see them? snatch their cig and step on that shit.
I was swimming and this guy was (well, standing) swimming and smoking at the same time. When a wave came he would put his hand in the air so it wouldn't put it out. He burnt me too!
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Post by newslang on Mar 19, 2010 19:51:03 GMT
It bothers me when I see parents smoking when their kids are right next to them. And the wind is blowing the smoke over to them. Isn't there enough media about second hand smoke? Don't people care?
I walk abnormally fast and pass the smokers, if I can. I really hate it when someone smokes a cigarette right before they get on the bus. And then sit next to me. That smell is horrendous!
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Post by tarantella on Mar 19, 2010 22:28:38 GMT
I don't mind strangers who smoke very much, although I do think the habit is distasteful and indicative of poor judgment in general (I told you! SO judgmental). But it bothers me when friends do it. My roommates are two of my favorite people in the world, and it bothers me that they smoke because I love them so much. It makes me irrationally angry whenever they do it; I feel a sort of motherly protection and want to stamp out those death sticks under my heel.
I have to remind myself: They're not my children! They are grown, capable individuals, they can make their own choices! I'm trying to work on it, but my intolerance for cigarettes only seems to be growing with time.
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Post by helwin tins on Mar 20, 2010 3:22:53 GMT
Do you guys know what you do when you see them? snatch their cig and step on that shit. uh, no you fucking don't because that's theft and destruction of property, as well as being incredibly fucking obnoxious. if you have a problem ask them to move. i judge people who don't smoke for having these kind of conversations.
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Post by sarah on Mar 20, 2010 3:38:19 GMT
NO SIBZ NO SMOKING ALLOWED EVER NO ITS BAD
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Post by lastgoodbye on Mar 20, 2010 13:12:49 GMT
I agree with Sibz here, those posts pissed me off. I think Victoria hit the nail on the head here without knowing it. "Isn't there enough media about second hand smoke? Don't people care?" No because the 'media' completely outweighs the scientific evidence. Take a look at www.forestonline.org, particularly www.forestonline.org/output/Passive-Smoking.aspx
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Post by helwin tins on Mar 20, 2010 14:21:26 GMT
exactly. there was a study that suggested eating pork once a week was more likely to give you cancer than second hand smoke, and even then it was constant exposure, such as living in the same room as someone who smokes. i can't remember the exact details anymore so i'm going to have to find it.
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Post by wakefromthysleep on Mar 20, 2010 14:25:52 GMT
I remember a text that I had to read for a presentation in school(eta: looong time ago). It said that there is a connection between passive smoking and lung cancer. statistically one out of seven would die of it. I was shocked by this and sometimes I've counted clandestinely people at the schoolyard standing around smoking people like 1-2-3-4-5-6-you're dead. I gave it up. It's just a statistic.
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Post by sarah on Mar 20, 2010 14:34:24 GMT
isn't there loads of shit in the air anyway? well, in big cities, car exhaust fumes etc. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO GO OUTSIDE OR YOU WILL GET CANCER
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Post by helwin tins on Mar 20, 2010 15:07:17 GMT
I remember a text that I had to read for a presentation in school(eta: looong time ago). It said that there is a connection between passive smoking and lung cancer. statistically one out of seven would die of it. I was shocked by this and sometimes I've counted clandestinely people at the schoolyard standing around smoking people like 1-2-3-4-5-6-you're dead. I gave it up. It's just a statistic. you were lied to.
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Post by wakefromthysleep on Mar 20, 2010 15:12:49 GMT
^ it was in religious education. Of course it was a lie! sarah: ..yes, but not just in big cities. There is an omnipresent danger surrounding us all. It's the sun. Too much sun can cause cancer. so, better stay inside. lol
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Post by sarah on Mar 20, 2010 15:21:56 GMT
OH GOD NO NOT THE SUN!!!!!!
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Post by victorinox on Mar 20, 2010 15:45:21 GMT
it bothers me that my dad smokes, because he has health problems and i want him to be around long enough to play catch with my sons and whatnot, but the government is so half-assed about being against it. smoking is clearly bad for you and bad for the people who breathe it in. however, it's legal. and the taxes on cigarettes are probably funding the health care for anyone who ends up with lung cancer. people who smoke are consuming a product they've purchased, legally, and they have a right to as long as they aren't infringing on someone else's liberties by causing it to go into their lungs. smoking around your children or in close proximity to strangers seems like infringement.
i confess that i didn't go to the gym yesterday. i was eating pancakes.
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Post by tarantella on Mar 20, 2010 18:49:21 GMT
I'm sorry to have seemingly villanized those of you who smoke. I totally support your right to do so! I wrote this stuff about ~my feelings in the confessions thread because I acknowledge how shitty my attitude is.
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Post by lastgoodbye on Mar 20, 2010 20:13:54 GMT
it bothers me that my dad smokes, because he has health problems and i want him to be around long enough to play catch with my sons and whatnot, but the government is so half-assed about being against it. smoking is clearly bad for you and bad for the people who breathe it in. however, it's legal. and the taxes on cigarettes are probably funding the health care for anyone who ends up with lung cancer. people who smoke are consuming a product they've purchased, legally, and they have a right to as long as they aren't infringing on someone else's liberties by causing it to go into their lungs. smoking around your children or in close proximity to strangers seems like infringement. Maybe the Canadian government is fairer than the British one in realising that there isn't any way near enough scientific evidence on the 'dangers' of passive smoking to enforce a public smoking ban like we have over here. I don't mean to be harsh, but if you feel that way about your dad then it's up to you to talk to him, not for your government to legislate against it. It's like saying "Oh I'm worried about how much time my mum spends sunbathing, she already has damaged skin and I want her to live to come to my wedding. I wish the government would hurry up and impose a 'no more than three hours a day in bright sunlight' act."
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Post by irrelevant on Mar 20, 2010 20:15:43 GMT
well this is a little ridiculous. a simple trip to wiki should provide some much-needed common sense. further down it also illuminates some flaws of the findings used as support in the previous link. exactly. there was a study that suggested eating pork once a week was more likely to give you cancer than second hand smoke, and even then it was constant exposure, such as living in the same room as someone who smokes. shame about the pork. must be pretty bad if it's even likelier a cause than secondhand smoke.
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Post by lastgoodbye on Mar 20, 2010 20:26:30 GMT
well this is a little ridiculous. a simple trip to wiki should provide some much-needed common sense. further down it also illuminates some flaws of the findings used as support in the previous link. Yes, because wikipedia is always a reliable source Well, I know that Forest is a pressure group so obviously biased, but this is just a list of organisations which have acknowledged a "link between passive smoking and health risks", it doesn't say how substantial they think that link is, whereas on the page I posted it has quotes from specific studies and scientists. This is a little beside the point though. Personally I think that no matter how harmful second hand smoke is (unless you like, inhale it and drop down dead right there) it's no justification for government to enforce laws which alienate people, infringe on their freedoms and whip up a big scare and nasty judgemental-ness, as demonstrated by the posters here, and which I find akin to “Yuk big ugly fatties, your health is so shit”. Hell, not all people who smoke are going to suffer ill effects from it, no way near all of them, so I really don't think anyone is justified in getting pissy about it. Like all those horrific adverts of dying children the government/NHS put on TV. SMOKERS ARE MURDERERS AND DEVILS!
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Post by irrelevant on Mar 20, 2010 20:56:39 GMT
we can agree that people do not have the right to harm others, correct? in no way should the right to breathe out toxic chemicals, or irritants if that suits you more, come before protecting the right of nonsmokers to breathe safe, clean air. i see no problem infringing on other people's supposed freedoms when they are causing harm. [the extent of which we obviously disagree on, which is a shame ]i guess in my opinion i see it as the equivalent of a drinker spitting alcohol down the throats of everyone around them for their livers to deal with. and i understand your point about the vilifying. i'm not really into that, but i understand how people tend to get overdramatic when they have to deal with anything that pisses them off on a constant basis.
ooh, i'm not sure if you read the rest of the article, but it does provide counterpoints that make the studies you linked appear rather erroneous.
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