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Post by WeepingWall on May 29, 2009 9:21:59 GMT
I cannot believe that investing in the making of the album means absolutely nothing when it comes to actually hearing it. I have always respected Patrick's wishes to wait for the proper release of his new albums (as I do with all albums) to get the full experience that the artist intended. And then he is asks his fans to help him along the way, and as a fan who believes in his music and him as an artist I did not even hesitate. Now the album has been leaked, pre-released and sold at independent shops, and practically given away everywhere you look, and being a member of Bandstock means nothing! One would think when it clearly leaked all over the internet (you can do a search on google for it without being bombarded with download links) we should have received a download special download? I mean, we did help pay for the thing. Not to mention the rather expensive deluxe limited edition that gets upstaged by Rough Trade's version. Really it is ridiculous, and makes me quite frustrated. And what does Patrick have to say about it? "Thanks for all the money people - I've used it to have a giant costume shipped from England to NYC in its own package!" As if that is something to brag about. Well I suppose I should just go download the album off any number of sites. I mean, I already bought it, and it seems I am one of the few who haven't heard it. Why does that idea trouble me?
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Post by cometojoy on May 29, 2009 9:46:03 GMT
I wouldn't be too worried, really; to be honest, Patrick set a release date - be it for the album itself, or for putting the album up on MySpace or whatever - so that all his fans could experience it at the same time. I know he's done events and things for Bandstock-holders in the past, but when it comes down to the music itself, if he went all 'hierarchical' on us, it would almost contradict the music he's making and his image right now, don't you think? But I can understand why you want it so much - we all do! x
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Post by Rhiflect on May 29, 2009 11:10:48 GMT
These things are all FOR the fans, in the long run. Deluxe albums, special EPs, previews of the album etc etc. They're all for us, and you should respect Patrick for trying to please his fans so much. Of course it's frustrating knowing other people hhave listened to the album when you haven't, but surely that will make the pleasure of actually hearing it ligitimetlly off an actual album even greater? That's what i'm banking on anyway. I haven't heard the album yet either!
Leaks can't be helped. Sadly, it's what's become of the downloading system.
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Post by horrorshock666 on May 29, 2009 11:18:29 GMT
Leaks can't be helped. Sadly, it's what's become of the downloading system. Also, how are they meant to be helped? I'm sure he would have preferred it if it didn't leak, and we know from the past how he feels on them, so... To be honest, and to me personally, an MP3 leak is just a file, something that can be disposed of and doesn't really exist (that sounds lame, but hopefully you get where i am coming from), where as a physical release is something that can be treasured and kept for as long as you so feel. The fact he has created something JUST for bandstock holders in a special edition, and signing it, to me, is a perfect gift and an extra for the bandstock i bought.
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Post by WeepingWall on May 29, 2009 11:40:37 GMT
I understand and mostly agree with what you are all saying, but don't you think as investors in the product we shouldn't be some of the last to actually hear it? It started getting me when "Vulture" was put up on myspace without so much as an email to let bandstock holders know. Now I read about Rough Trade selling the entire album early. If the album is sent out in promo form for reviews, and now even shipped to record shops to hold on to until the release date (yet they sell it early) one would think it could have been sent out to Bandstock holders as well. If the worry is that we might leak it before its release, well that doesn't put much trust in the fans who were trusted to invest in that product. And clearly, the trust put in the others it has been sent to was misplaced. It just seems like the Bandstock idea initially came up as a way to fund the album, but the logistics were never truly considered, and now that the record is done, the whole Bandstock thing is kind of abandoned. And I disagree that special releases are mostly for fans, as giving a special EP to a specific record store is entirely about the promotion that that shop will give the artist/record once they have some form of an exclusive. There was just recently an article in the NY Times about such things. Saying they are for fans is the way the artist justifies such an action.
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Post by jadeface on May 29, 2009 11:42:08 GMT
I also think the Bandstocks limited edition is a million times better than the Rough Trade CD & EP combo. You get all the extra bits, and it sounds like it's going to be really pretty. It's a shame that it leaked, but he didn't ask for it to be, but the only time I have listened to it, is when it was on Myspace for a few days, and even then I only had the chance to listen to it once. I also didn't want it to ruin anything for me when I finally get it next week.
It's a shame you think he's sort of conned you in a way, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't just taken all our money and gone 'HAHA' at us. At all. What we say means a lot. Plus you'll get a free download with the stock you got when it's released... Right? (Jay??)
Edit: Didn't see that you posted again. I do sort of agree with you on the whole EP situation, we should also have the opportunity to buy that on Bandstocks too, not have to buy a standard copy of the album to get the EP, when most already paid for the LTD edition.
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Post by jay on May 29, 2009 11:50:22 GMT
yes, you will get a free download of the album if you're a bandstocker.
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Post by horrorshock666 on May 29, 2009 11:52:44 GMT
I do agree with you Jadeface that the special edition seems much better than the normal CD, and i think the promotion and release is because its an incentive to get people to buy it and maybe Bandstock holders because the special editions don't go towards album sales as such, as in counting towards getting it in the charts etc (i could be wrong, but if memory serves me right this is the case).
I do think things could have been handled better in some places, but in honesty i invested only because i had the chance to help out in some way with Patrick releasing more music... all of these priveleges are just little extras that are nice and are a kind of reward in return for helping out.
I do think selling it early is wrong, as everyone else has to wait for that, but it must have been a mistake or something because i doubt they would do it all the time as the official release date hasn't come yet.
I don't know, i guess its a shame you feel this way, but at least you can say you helped in some way for this album to be released.
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Post by WeepingWall on May 29, 2009 12:03:41 GMT
I am not nearly as bitter or angry as I probably sound. horrorshock666, I think you make a good point. I too invested because I believe in Patrick as an artist and I wanted to help where I could when he asked. Everything else is extra, because the extras aren't why I joined Banstock. I should remember that. I just get a bit annoyed when such obvious privileges are awarded to certain people/groups, and the same are not given to the Bandstock holders. Not that it was ever said they would be, but it seems like an obvious group to include in such privileges.
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Post by horrorshock666 on May 29, 2009 12:12:40 GMT
No i know what you mean to an extent, i have been a little confused at times with how things are done but i just have to keep telling myself the reasons i became a part in all this. Like with the Vulture EP, i thought it was just for people with Bandstocks, but at the gig last night they were on sale... which isn't annoying as such but just confusing. I don't know really... but im just really happy to be a part of this.
On another note... Just think how cool it will be to have a name in the album sleeve! I'm looking forward to that.
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Post by jadeface on May 29, 2009 12:22:41 GMT
Is everyone's name going to be in it? Or only if you requested? I don't think I requested or anything so I guess I won't be in there? Maybe?
I think maybe some things are out of his control and maybe some communication errors along the way, and I guess next time he does Bandstocks for the next album, things might run a bit smoother in terms of keeping people informed. I can only imagine, they've probably learnt a few things out of it.
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Post by horrorshock666 on May 29, 2009 12:29:20 GMT
I think you had to fill your name in on a certain section on your bandstocks page, i'm not sure. I do remember something on there about it, which i think i filled in.
And yeah, its a good point about a learning curve for him/them. I think its been done well, just certain things have been a little confusing. Im sure it must be a headache considering how many people bought bandstocks and sorting it all out, and i can only say i couldn't have done it, so fair play.
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Post by jadeface on May 29, 2009 12:34:09 GMT
Ah I don't think I did, so I probably won't be in it. But I don't really need to be. I'm guessing it gets posted on June 1, so we'll receive it on like Tuesday or something?
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Post by horrorshock666 on May 29, 2009 12:44:06 GMT
If its anything like the Vulture EP i might get it a few week later... haha. I won't lie though, if my name isn't in it i will feel a little upset i didn't do something to be in it (as in fill something in or whatever it might be) because then i'll think 'Damn, if only i'd have looked properly!'.
I can't wait to get it though now, the few pictures on the little slideshow look beautiful.
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Post by naaaat on May 29, 2009 12:53:00 GMT
Ah I don't think I did, so I probably won't be in it. But I don't really need to be. I'm guessing it gets posted on June 1, so we'll receive it on like Tuesday or something? I think the email I got said that if we'd ordered by the 19th May, it'd be posted to arive on June 1st? Fingers crossed anyway
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Post by jay on May 29, 2009 12:55:08 GMT
Ah I don't think I did, so I probably won't be in it. But I don't really need to be. I'm guessing it gets posted on June 1, so we'll receive it on like Tuesday or something? I think the email I got said that if we'd ordered by the 19th May, it'd be posted to arive on June 1st? Fingers crossed anyway i'm sending a mailout today with regards to the bandstocks limited edition that explains there is a minor delay... i hope you all won't be too disappointed but there is a good reason for it.. i wanted mine next week too, though.
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Post by jadeface on May 29, 2009 13:01:14 GMT
UGH! Haha, nah that's okay. It will be a bit torturous waiting, but I can handle it. I wonder how 'minor' minor really is.
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Post by jay on May 29, 2009 13:03:44 GMT
you should hopefully have it by the end of next week..
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Post by cometojoy on May 29, 2009 13:05:52 GMT
oh maaaan! oh well, what can you do i suppose. i ordered the normal version too for the spinster ep, but i really wanted to have the ltd ed on monday! aaaah well x
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Post by WeepingWall on May 29, 2009 13:27:00 GMT
[/quote] i'm sending a mailout today with regards to the bandstocks limited edition that explains there is a minor delay... i hope you all won't be too disappointed but there is a good reason for it.. i wanted mine next week too, though.[/quote] Ironic that this is first announced in this thread...
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